The Courage to Be You: Food, Fashion and Finding Your Path
Sarah Naylor unravels the intimate journey towards self-acceptance, exploring personal resilience, the gritty reality of societal expectations, and the liberation found in embracing one’s unique kinks and story.
Welcome to Inclusion Bites, yoursanctuary for bold conversations that spark change. I'mJoanne Lockwood, your guide on this journey of exploration intothe heart of inclusion, belonging, and societaltransformation. Ever wondered what it truly takes to create aworld where everyone not only belongs butthrives? You're not alone. Join me as weuncover the unseen, challenge the status quo,and share stories that resonate deep within.Ready to dive in. Whether you're sipping your morning coffeeor winding down after a long day, let's connect,reflect, and inspire action together.Don't forget, you can be part of the conversation too. Reach outto Jo atseachangehappen.co.ukto share your insights or to join me on the show.So adjust your earbuds and settle in. It's time toignite the spark of inclusion with Inclusion Bites.And today is episode 114 with thetitle Kinks and All. And I havethe absolute honor and privilege to welcome Sarah Naylor. Sarahis the businesswoman who, until last year, ran a recruitment agentand also a writer, author, and podcast host in her sparetime, I guess. When I asked Sarah to describe her superpower, she said it isher ability to be herself,embracing all of her kinks, wrinkles, full boils,and constantly seeing the positives in everything. Hello,Sarah. Welcome to the show. Hello, Jo, and thank
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you so much for inviting me along.Absolutely thrilled and honored to be here. It's
Sarah Naylorguest
absolutely brilliant. And when I just heard you repeating my intro then, I thought Iought to change that word because foibles sounds like furballs, and I generally don'thave furballs. But
Joanne Lockwoodhost
4 boils are good. I it's a boils. Oh, I'm sorry. I used a bit.
Sarah Naylorguest
4 boils. I don't have 4 boils either. It sounds like the old Ronnie Corbitsketch. Can I have 4 candles, please?
Joanne Lockwoodhost
It's interesting you, you focus on the word 4 boils and not theword kinks. Wow. So tell me about this.Tell me about your kinks and all. Oh, right. Well, I think,
Sarah Naylorguest
personally I mean, let me let me re rewind some, Idon't know, 19 years or so post divorce as Iembarked and recognized, I should say, the opportunity to kick start mylife and recreate my life and have a second opportunity at it in this lifetime.And I kinda went on a a real fasttrack personal development journey. I felt like a sponge. Iwas, like, absorbing absolutely everything, and there wasstuff that I'd always been aware of. But once, at thetime, during my my sort of marriages, I wasn't aware of becauseof this the situation I found myself in. However, I started toembark on dating again in my my I'm in my twenties,in my forties, if you like, just saying yes to stuffand going out into the world, which I I I haven'tdone. Post having having had my son 6 years priorto getting divorced, I'd not been out. I'd not got a social circle. I'd notgot a network. And so I was really exploring everything, andthat included me, who I was, who Iam, and unlocking, you know, who whoI am. And that is all your your kinks, your foibles, yourfurballs, your, you know, your wrinkles. And in terms ofthe kinks, you know, yeah. I mean, it's you know, let's let'sstart to talk about sex. Let's let's talk sex. Whynot? You know, and understanding what turns you on, what what appeals to you. You
Sarah Naylorguest
know, that's about understanding who you are as a person and what youenjoy, and you can only find that out by doing a bit of exploration andembracing those elements of kink. And, youknow, what is kink? Kink is something that is notdeemed mainstream. It's not deemed thenorm. It's something that's a little bit that thenormal people would say is is out there, but when you're out there,it's quite normal, if that makes sense. You know?It's about embracing who you are. And when you start to do that,this is where the sort of acceptance of the self, acceptance of others,acceptance of, you know, be justgenerally accepting people for who theyare, but that comes from accepting yourself as well. Because until youstart to accept who you are and what things that you like and what thingsthat you don't like, what control do you have when actually youdo have control over your behavior because you aren't your behavior, but it's about goingon that journey about finding out who you are, what you like, what youlove doing, and that comes into those kinky bits toobecause, hey. You know, it's good. It's why not? Why not? I Ilike wearing latex. You know, I've got a latex account with 62,000followers that I set up a couple of years ago for fun. You know?It's great. It's lovely. You know, I'm most of my time in jeans. I'min late I'm in Lycra or jeans and don't wear any makeup.Every sort of 4 to 6 weeks, we get dressed up in latex and takesome photographs, have some fun, share it, and it's it's all above board. It'sjust fun. People want to take it another stage,they can do. You know, we just have me and my partner, we have fungetting dressed up and yeah. It's kinky. Some people likefeet. Some people like hands. Some people like Hunter wellyboots. You know? It's they're all nature of kinks out there, butembrace yours and have fun. Oh, it was a long answer.
Joanne Lockwoodhost
This. No. I'm loving I'm loving it. It's, Isaid, think about the word kink, and and you talk youuse the word normal people. And I'm thinking,actually, wherever whoever we can describe normal as, normalpeople have kinks. Normal people have things they willnever talk about. They won't share. They're embarrassed. Yeah. Or theirtheir private things in their own bedroom with a partneror or more than one partner or in their own in their own,time. So, yeah, I think we all have something in our heads, analter ego, a fantasy. Mhmm. It's just that somepeople are able to share that to the world as you do with yourInstagram site, and some people aren't.So why are we so afraid to talkabout these, yeah, as you say, kinks? I
Sarah Naylorguest
think it's because it's society. It's other people'simpressions, you know, and it's always people get fearful. People getworried about what people will think about them. You know? It'sand this is where the acceptance of the self comes in. Because once you startto accept yourself for who you are, you become moreresilient, and what other people think isirrelevant. And if they don't like it, it's it's their stuff.It's not for you to change it's not for you to change to appease anybodyelse. And that that would if we can we move away from the word kinkor kinks, but but literally just look at people beingthemselves, identifying with who they are, understanding what they areand who they are and what that looks like to them. Once youidentify that, you're gonna live a happier and healthier life as a result. But asyou start to if you start to keep onchanging who you are to appease other people, that's nevergonna work. You're going to be out of alignment. You're not going to be happy.You could end up with sort of different ailments and problems and issues and thingslike that that are going to cause, yeah, causeyou cause you dis disease. You know, you're going to be dis you know,with not in flow with yourself. You're going to be out ofyour your flow. And when you're in flow, it's when you've acceptedyourself. And then when you come into the kinks, if you're accepting those, it'sif if you don't want to share them with the world, that's absolutely fine, butit's understanding and accepting it within yourself.And that's yeah. That is the part of that exploration andunderstanding about who youare, but not being fearful. Andthat's why I stepped out really to to walk my talk, because I've alwaysbeen in part of my whole ethos in terms ofmy coaching practice, my way of being, and people that come intomy orbit. I love encouraging other people to be exactlywho they are. Don't worry about what other people think because thatis just their stuff. We're all on this planet to learn. We're all in thisplanet to have this lifetime that we havepreselected, I believe, to come in and experience. And unless we
Sarah Naylorguest
deal with what's delivered to us,we won't progress. And it's that old adage of, you know, you keep doing thesame thing, you get the same results. So if you keep on wanting a differentlife, but you're not making any changes, and you're stuck in that mode of tryingto please Bill, Jane, or whoever it is because you think thatthey'll like you more if you be how who they want you to be, butyou'll never appease them because they will always want you to be something else. Butyou've got to be you for who you are, then you'll attract the people intoyour life who want to be around you for who youare, not because they you're you're you are who they want.They want yes. You know what I mean? I'm getting wrapped up round my words,but, you know, I've got an issue, unfortunately, with my son who thinks that Ishould behave a certain way, and I won't. You know, I've had it's been difficult.It's been very, very hard, but I've had to stand my ground. As a, youknow, as a result, we've not spoken for a year, but Icannot be dictated to by my son as to howI should live my life because my life is mylife, and your life is your life. How you want to live it isentirely to you. And as long as you are living yourlife for you from a heart centeredperspective and you are not doing anythingovertly, deliberately, on purpose to hurt orupset or offend anybody, then that is all your business.You be you because you are gonna forge a wayfor change for other people. I know from doing my, you know, my account,other people have gained confidence in wearing sortof latex or being themselves more so because, youknow, they can once certain people start to see you doing something, thenit makes it more accessible to them as well. So it's it's reallyimportant that we aren't all sheep. You know? And we're notI don't wanna be Barbie. I don't wanna be Ken. I don't want to bea cutout, you know, reproduced item. I amme. You know, I remember going back into this into the nineties andworking for a a national international, actually, recruitment business,and, then wearing then sort of starting to wear a trouser suit. Nowwe're talking about I had to conform tothat was a that was a Kelly girl, and I had to wear,you know, skirts and a a blouse and sort of little little heeled shoes, thatkind of thing. And I thought, no. I I'm gonna wear, you know, Iwanna wear trousers. I wore I bought, you know, really nice silkbrown trouser suits. I wanted to wear trousers. I thought, come and beat me upwith a stick. You know, I don't you know, I've not got a problem withthe the guys wearing skirts. Who says who sayswhat we should wear? Seriously, who is it that makes up these rules, and whatis it about a skirt being a skirt in one language Joanne actually it beingsomething completely different in another language? You know, a kilt is a kilt is askirt. You know, a a a long dress in some in somereligions is is called something, but in this it'sjust ridiculous. Wear what you want to wear and behappy. You know? Seriously, folks. Just beyourself. Does it really matter? Who cares
Joanne Lockwoodhost
really? But there's there's still you you talked about yourself.You know? There's there's there's kind of 2 2 demons at play inthis sort of something, isn't it? There's there's the embracingyourself Mhmm. And allowing yourselfto be explore different sides of you, your kings, youridentity, your sexuality, your hobbies, whatever it may be.And then the other side of that is sharing being able toshare that with other people. Mhmm. So sometimes we can indulgeourselves as a private thing, whatever that maybe, but to tell others. And youmentioned the fact your your son doesn'tembrace the whole you at the moment. I mean,I've been through a stage of my life where my daughter didn't embrace the wholeof me, and that took a couple of years to work its way out andto resolve when we're there now. But that that fear of judgment,that fear of rejection, that fear of loss, that fear of getting it wrong,that fear of losing something is really, really powerful and keeps peoplein their box, in their lane, and behind the wardrobe. It
Sarah Naylorguest
can do. Yes. If you allow it to. And now this the keyis understanding you are in control of your behavior. If you can recognize that itis that that fear as you've called it. But we havecontrol over how we experience the world. But once you actuallyrecognize it for what it is I mean, I I've done a lot of somatichealing because of all the stuff that kicked off for me personally last year thatwas off the back of my son. I had a lot of other things. Everythingwas ambushed me all at the same time last year. Isurvived. I'm still here. And the the fearfear is something that we had back if we goback historically to living in caves, you you know, you you've got to have thatfear to stop you from running out and getting eaten by a bear. And inthese days, it stops you from really running out in front of a bus, andyou've you know, it's about being mindful about that level of fear. Butfear is something that you can create in your own mind, but once you actuallyrecognize it, it's what is the worst that can happen? Seriously, what is the worstthat can happen? If it happens, you deal with it. But it'snot allowing it to to to freeze you. It's aboutthinking about what response that you not response. Whatoutcome you want and how it portrays what you put out iswhat you get back. So if you're projecting fear, you willattract stuff in that is going to be negative and fearful. WhenI first opened up myInstagram account, I got some horrific,horrible comments, and it's just like and it's hurtful.You know? It is hurtful. Then he's like, no. Let me get out of myown way with this. This is this is somebody sitting behind,you know, a blank screen. They're not presenting themselves. They'renot stepping out of their comfort zone. They're just sitting there trolling to make themselvesfeel better. And, actually, that's quite sad because they're clearly deeply sadinside that they feel that by casting aspersions to otherpeople, that is going to make them feel better because their project what whathappens is people transfer that stuffto remove it from them. And if you accept it, you're helping them,but actually if you put boundaries in place and go, no. So I wouldreport, block, delete because you don't want itresonating. The minute I see a negative comment, I just delete it. Icould respond. Occasionally, I get drawn in to respond and go, Sarah,no. You're just wasting your energy because these people want to draw on yourenergy. They want to siphon it. They're energy vampires. They want to suckthey want to suck you in to make themselves feel better.Jo. Do you know what? I've got an amazing array offriends these days from having 19 years ago, having startedfrom scratch, literally starting from scratch. I I gotany real friends. My one friend had moved to France, one friend wastraveling India, and one friend was in Wiltshire or something like that. Those were theonly people that kind of loosely got as friends. But I I kickstarted my life and and and and have built it up to the where itis today. And I've got friends and contacts globally, and they'rebrilliant people. And they're people like yourself, Joanne. You know, they're peoplewho want the best for the world. They want a better outcome. They wantthe world to be a better place, and that's why you're doing whatyou're doing. It's why I do what I do. It's through my coaching, and I'vegot my own podcast. I'm I'm not on Insight Timer as well. I'm creatingcontent on there, and it's all for the greater good. You know?I I want people to be happy. I want people to know that they arethey don't have to live the life that they are living. You can change. Youcan put a new program into your into your mindset. You go, actually, doyou know what? No. You can once you hear that monkey chat, you
Sarah Naylorguest
go, no. I mean, just Jo. No.What what do I want? And and and it's reframing it, rewording itin a positive manner, using positive scenarios and situations. Youknow, it's tricking tricking your subconscious. There's the old phrase of fake ittill you make it, but there's a there's a truth in that because if youstep into we were starting to talk about the quantum now. If you stepinto that energy flow that is the quantum because there's a myriadof potential opportunities for you depending on what decisionsyou make. But, actually, if you perceive what you actually wantto do in the future, you can and start to act like it's happenedalready, then it will it will it will track its way in. But if youconstantly think of all the negative stuff, all you'll end up doing is dragging yourselfdown, giving other people your energy, and feeling like a little sortof lost lost hope in the corner, which is fine. It might be part ofyour learning. But if you want to progress, you've actually got to takeaction. You just said yeah. I I completely resonate with, and
Joanne Lockwoodhost
I I I was I I actually did an interview on on GB News yesterdaydiscussing a fairly high profile employmenttribunal case against a teacher who would not respect one of histransgender pupils. So I'd hold on GB News. I put it on Facebook afterwards.And I I so my friends on Facebook were all kind oflike, oh, wow. I couldn't have gone on there. Wow. You know, other trans peopleand I was, oh, would you wanna go into that that that den of inequityfor? What do you wanna go to be bathe in the GP GB Newsarea? So most of the people I knew, who aremy friends, were kind of in, I wouldn't do that. That's too scary forme. How how could I possibly put myself out there? Course, then I went tothe GB News website and looked at all the comments that were developing under theunder the and I thought, it's almost like playing hate bingo, isn't it? Yeah.Oh, yeah. Tick. You got that? Yeah. Oh, yeah. We got that one. Tick. Thankyou. I'll I'll add that one. Oh, you missed 1. Oh, you haven't.I popped them to Twitter this morning. I thought, oh, yeah. Here's here's the here'sthe rest of the comments on Twitter. And I thought they're all predictable. AndI I've I've kinda got a policy there. You know? I've got I gettrolled on YouTube, my channels. Every everywhere I go, I get trolled on it, andto some degree, TikTok. And I've kind of developed this kindof I just leave it. I just I I I I leave the comments therebecause other people need to see them as well. Mhmm. And for me,it it's it's people who are positive towards me, towards what I do, andhow I do it, need to see my lived experience about whatI wake up to Mhmm. And what my notifications on my phone pop up. Theyjump into my head all this time. So I can I can frame itas graffiti and just drive past it and ignore it? Idon't I don't internalize most of it. Because most of it, they they don't knowme. It's not personal. It's just they just get sayto the world, aren't they? Mhmm. So yeah. But it'sit does take a little bit of personal I'm not gonnasay the word courage, whatever that may be, vigor,determination, confidence to be able to do this. And mostpeople step back and go, oh, wow. You I could do whatyou do. And that that that's that's the barrier a lot of people face, isn'tit? It is. And I think there's a lot to do with this the I
Sarah Naylorguest
mean, if we're coming back down to sort of spirit and soul, it depends whereyou are in your soul journey. And I think, you know, there are different levelsof how many lifetimes, what you've lived through, what you want to learn,and then some people want to some people come into the lifetime to trigger otherthings in other people. So the stuff that people do I mean, it's a it'sa hard one to thing to sort of digest, but people that do things thatare bad then are creating as an opportunity for other people to learn, to evolve,and to get, you know, go through that so that they are playingtheir part in this. And it's just a big computer game. I'm just convinced we'rein a big computer game, you know, John. I really do. It's like Yeah. Whoknows? Who knows? I do you know what? This is this is a funny thing.I've I've gone completely off topic now, but I watched it off documentary many, manyyears ago, and it really sort of struck a chord with me becauseI saw it was this it was about the watercoming back to some big desert area orcanyon or something like in the states. And I thought, you know you know, yousort of talk about microcosms and, you know,whatever. Yeah. That that that sort of that pot of water, you know, let's sayit's like a a a plate full of water. To that plate full of water,those microscopic animals, not animals. I don'tI don't know the word. Or organisms. Microcosmos. That'll do.Yes. Organisms as opposed to orgasms, that's something else. We'll go back to sex afterwards.But organisms in the water, for them, what they can see,that is their world, isn't it? That is their world. But, actually, thatthat pot of water is just as it gets bigger, it gets bigger, itgets bigger. And that they are just within a bigpond, then it becomes a lake. It becomes an ocean. It becomes but theyhave no concept of anything beyond that.And aren't we the same as that? We are just this sort ofdot in this huge, huge context of everything,and we we don't know what we don't know because we can't seeit. But because we can't see it doesn't mean it's not there, but we're allenergy. We are made up of more energy than we are matter. Soit depends on where we are on this sort of this mortal coil rightnow as to how we behave. However, we do have that control over ourbehavior and anybody that is fearful. Just try stepping out ofthat comfort zone. Because the comfort zone, it isn't it's a sillyword for it really, isn't it? Because it's not a comfort zone at all. Itit's a it's a it's a zone that doesn't really take you anywhere. It keepsyou doing the status quo. And if you're happy with that, that's absolutely fine.However, if you want something to be different, you do have to step out. Imean, last year, my business went into administration. My my sonstopped speaking to me to sell my car to pay my mortgage.Yeah. It was pretty brutal last year, butsurvived. Still here. Hello.
Joanne Lockwoodhost
Yeah. I've I've I've still got that t shirt somewhere. I've, I've I'vebeen there as well. The you when you get to the bottom,it's it's, there's nothing left. I remember the, theperson who came to collect my BMW and put it on the back of alow loader. Mhmm. He started inspecting it and saying, oh, there's a chip here, andthere's this here, and there's that there. And he said, are youokay? I said, yeah. He said, you're smiling. I said, yeah. I said, I'm justI've just got bust. You know, you could tell me what if you like. Itdoesn't matter to me. All I want you to do is take the car away.It doesn't yeah. Just just go for it. Don't don't bother me with this triviaabout how much you you're gonna charge me for stuff. It's like, you don't haveto get any more money out of me. Yeah. So I kinda laughed. It waslike it was like, but people are normally angry with me. I think, well, yeah.Have a good treat this as your bonus day.
Sarah Naylorguest
But what what you've demonstrated there is that sort of that surrendering, andthat's that's what I had to do probably 2 or 3, 4 times last year.And even just recently, I've had to surrender and get out of my own way,and that is something that is really put important to sort of acknowledgeand take note of because we can't we can't controlstuff. You know? And and when we try and control things, we're not inflow with our own energy, and that's when you start to come up against resistance.You're going, right. It's not worth it's not happening. It's not how I wanted itto be. Yeah. Well, you might think it's not how you want it to be,but it's how it's meant to be. So when you kinda go with this flow
Sarah Naylorguest
and I I very much trust now my sort of instinct, my intuition. It's notto say I don't have my moments. Like I said, just recently, I becauseof all the things that have gone on last year, my my money thatI've got is caught up into bricks and mortar. But in terms of a dayto day income, it's not where it was, let's put it this way, 3 or4 years ago. And I I'm used to and I have done for40 odd years, you know, been able tobe completely self sufficient, and I've always been, you know,main contributor to household incomes. And when you're not andwhen you're reliant upon somebody else, it's kinda like, this isn't oh,this is not this doesn't feel right. You know, I'm used to being able todo this. That and then it was me that got the problem, not my partner.He was more than happy to continue paying, so he can see what I've contributedin terms of the sort of what we're living in. But that doesn't mean tosay it wasn't affecting me, but I had to get out of my own way.And that's where you you surrender, and you you you justlet go. And the minute I let go, it's like, you take thatpressure off yourself, don't you? Like, you let the car go. You know, Ilet the car go, and it gave me a pot of money to keep payingthe mortgage while we were trying to sell his house and my house so wecould actually buy and move. So we weren't hemorrhaging money there. I haven'teven got. But as Isaid, you know, if you don't step out there, if you don't do that andI mean, I could have gone and got another job, but I'm self employed. I'vegot I've got my coaching practice. I've got so I've just mentioned earlier, I'm onInsight Timer and got I've got I actually have got another property that's rental income,but that's changed because mortgages have gone up. Thanks, Liz Truss.I'm not really earning as much as that. Not that it was ever a evera property bought to, to earn an income. I'm a I'm a sort of anaccidental landlord as a result of a previous relationship, and we couldn't sell theproperty then and I took it on. But it is what it is. But, youknow, things will evolve. Things are evolving. It you know,
Sarah Naylorguest
we we spoke prior to, to coming on, didn't we, inrecording and about materialism and things that we need and what's sufficient.And, actually, as long as you're happy with life, there's there's so many different ways.Money becomes this is and money's an energy that we needto buy things with to exchange. However, what we've perceivedthat we need is usually governed by what people are telling us we want throughmarketing and media and all this sort of stuff. However, if you come backto thinking about yourself and what makes you happy, what really brings me thehappiness is like when I went out for a trail run earlier, looking at theblossom on the trees, looking at the blue tits, looking at the nature, just actuallybeing out there with my partner, enjoying it, stopping, taking pictures, having a havinga kiss on the road on the track, you know, and just, like,enjoying ourselves. You know? And that's where the most pleasure comes inand doing stuff in the garden. Picking we go to this recycling tip withour garden rubbish, and they've got a shop there and usually end up coming backwith more. But, you know,we talk. Yeah. Because they're they're selling things that go the money goes tocharity. But there's some amazing stuff that people chuck out, and we've gotsome brilliant things for our house now that have cost us nothing. So whowho says you need to earn as much as you think you need to earn?Because you can you can acquire things in lots of different ways. It'syeah. It's just how you view. It comes down to perspective.
Joanne Lockwoodhost
Yeah. And that that's what we're saying about sufficiency. It's it's realizingthat more is not necessarily better. And I Yeah. But a lot of thiscomes with age, isn't it? I mean, I look back at my life, and Iused to say I was in my early fifties, and I said I was inmy mid fifties. Now I guess I'm in my late fifties. Yeah. Sometimesnext year, I'll be starting with sixties. So, yeah, it's, it it comesaround, but experience comes with Joanne, and you you go through a lot of hardknocks as you grow older. And I'm a I'm a I'm a great believer inthat you don't grow and learn by by getting it right. You grow and learnby making mistakes. Oh, yeah. And and sometimes sometimes you make thesame mistake more than once. But, yeah, it's I thinklistening to your story and and and how you described a lot of this issome of it's been situational. You you've you didn't predict it. You bumped into it,and, oh, well, yeah, shit happens as theysay. And and you just you pick it up and deal with it. And thenyou become a a serial personwho who who is able to cope and deal with these things. Mhmm. And yousay, get up, dust yourself down, the weebles wobble, but they don't fall over sortof thing, and you you gotta get back up again. And as we used tocall it in the nineties, I think it was bounce back ability, that resilience thatkicks in, isn't it? And that's Yeah. Yeah. I think, you know, as you as
Sarah Naylorguest
you say, with wisdom and age, wisdom, experience, you sort of getto a point to go, do you know what? Can't CBA can'tbe arsed. It's just like Yeah. And you'reright. You know, we build up a resilience. You you do what's right for you.This is what say coming back to the sort of the the kinks and thefoibles and what have you again. It's about understanding yourself, acceptingyourself, knowing what you like, what you don't like, not being bothered by whatother people say. And I think as you are coming through sort ofyour teenage years into your twenties, you you you're very much you're acutely awareof peer pressure and wanting to fit in and and then sort of going throughthat sort of development setting, meeting a partner, having a relationship, having kids, and whathave you. And you come out the other side and you go,uh-huh. No. I've gotta be me. I'm gonna beme. But it's all part of life, isn't it? Life is life is thatjourney. It is it's not about the the destination at all. It'snot about the acquiring of material possessions.Saying it's nice to have certain things, you know, but that that shouldenhance your life and bring you joy as opposedto being acquired and requiredpurely for, you know, greediness or forshow or for, you know, for any other reason. You know? II I not that you would know. I mean, we're recording. You can see me.I haven't got any silver jewelry on. I have got so much silver jewelry. Ilove jewelry. When do I wear it? Very rarely these days because
Sarah Naylorguest
you can't wear it when you've got earphones on. And then I've actuallygot bracelets and things like that on, they clunk when I'm on mykeyboard. So I just don't really wear what I've got,but I've got shiny object syndrome. It's like,oh, that's nice. So I I acquire acquireI acquire artwork instead that I can hang on to the walls, and my partnercalls the house Sarah's Gallery because I do have a habitof, yeah. Oh, that's nice. In fact, we went and picked a picture up. We'dseen on Facebookmassive print for a fiver, and, that's unusualfor me because I usually like original pieces of artwork, and the last piece Ipicked up was a nice little oil painting about, oh, I don't know,what, a 4 size, something like that. It was£5 as well from the from the recycling center. Hurrah.
Joanne Lockwoodhost
Love it. Love it. And I get I get a bit is what I like
Sarah Naylorguest
to look into and find out about artists. I've got all sorts of things I'vepicked up in charity shops. So so I'm very much into sort of the wholerecycling, repurposing, environmental. You don't need to buy all thisstuff from you. The only reason so much is pumped out and manufacturedis to line the shareholders' pockets, and all they wantis more, more, more, more, more when we don't need more, more, more, more, more,more, and all this more, more, more, more, more is causing all these problems environmentally.It's just madness. It's madness. There could be so many let's get back tosustainability, building things that are gonna last,and, you know, if you want yeah. We don't need it all, do we? Let'slook at things in other ways. Let's look after the planet. It's anamazing planet. It's a beautiful planet. Spend the money onconserving it, not raiding it and yeah.
Joanne Lockwoodhost
Yeah. When they when they took my car away, I I I I kind ofvowed to myself that I would, never buy another car withfinance or never never or any of these balloons orwhatever other payment schemes they were. So I went out and bought myselfa, I think, an 18 year old convertible.Okay. It's a nice 18 year old convertible. It's a a Mercedes. Oh,
Sarah Naylorguest
nice. But when you you talked about life being a journey, I find that with
Joanne Lockwoodhost
the roof down, every journey becomes an adventure. You know, you're stuck intraffic on the n 25. It's a horrible day. You're stuck goingnowhere, but, yeah, you got the roof down, the sun's shining. You're sort of intouch with the world. Okay. Maybe a bit smog and a bit pollution, but,you know, I'm just sort of sitting there with the roof down, music loud,just in my own world, looking at other people in their cars. They're all inthis little box. They're all kind of trapped in. They're all kind of I don'tknow. But since you're at the roof off, every journey becomes anadventure. It becomes Joanne amazing. Journey becomes part of it. AndI've had this car, what, 2 years. I had a I had a little convertibleMini before. Nice. And it it's it's just it's just the only way to travel.
Joanne Lockwoodhost
I I my my role basically is it's,it's never it's never the wrong weather to have the roof down exceptwhen you're parked. So as long as youI've I've worked out. As long as you're doing more than 50 miles an hour,the rain deflects over the top of the car and you don't getwet. As soon as you drop below 50 miles an hour, you then get startto get very, very wet. So I I drove back from, I think, Birminghamor or further down the a 34, down the m m42, m 40, all these sort of places. In the pouring rain, Imean, literally, it was heaving it down. And you get a bit of bit ofrain going on to the to the passenger and the and the driver's wind sidewindow. It sort of loops around with the vortex and flicks in your faceoccasionally. But largely, I was bone dry when I got back. It was only
Sarah Naylorguest
Oh, awesome. It's only the traffic lights or the roundabouts that you had to kinda
Joanne Lockwoodhost
go, do I bottle it? Do I bottle it? No. No. No. I just justpush through. So I made it all the way back in the pouring rain. Isay, as long as you keep about 55, 60 miles an hour all the way,it's, you stay dry. So yeah. It's Sounds brilliant. Sounds invigorating.
Sarah Naylorguest
And that's really why we like going out trail running. I mean, at the sametoday, we went along on a disused, railway along, which we wanted to findout discover, which was nice and flat, made a change. But we'redoing park runs, and we go out running along the seafront as well. I don'tI won't run on the beach anymore because I did that. Was that last year?I think it might yes. That was when my body was attacked as well becauseI ran along the beach. When you got on a camber, and when I wentto see the physio, she said, oh, I should see so many injuries from peoplerunning on the beach because you you you you can't get that same Stowman's and
Joanne Lockwoodhost
yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jo I won't do that anymore, but we know there's the
Sarah Naylorguest
promenade between Snettershire well, yeah, Snettershire not Snettershire,Heatsham, Heatsham, and Hunstanton that we will run along as well.It's just lovely being outside in nature, and that's why you weresaying, you know, with the open, you know, the roof down, and you just you'reyou're with the elements, aren't you? And that's what's so exhilarating. And I I youknow, coming back to the elements, I love the exhilaration of a thunderstormand when it's properly raining. And I don't you know, this sort ofthis drizzly stuff that makes you really wet, but you can't really see it. It'snot so pleasant. But there's always something. There's always you know, you can always lookfor the positive and everything. You know, chucking it down with rain, what can youdo instead? Or if it's there's always there's always a positive. Always look forthe positive. That's that's me. Yeah. Before our
Joanne Lockwoodhost
our financial reboot about 7 or 8 years ago, weused to own a an apartment on the water's edge near Portsmouth. Andso we we overlooked Porters' Castle, and it had a big bayin front of it. And I remember we used to sort of stand on ourbalcony, And then when it was really, really windy, you could watch theseagulls flying backwards because they they just couldn't their air speedtheir grass speed was just basically pushed back by the wind. And but sometimesyou'd stand there in a thunderstorm, a really torrential rain. And the waythat the building was constructed, the rain used to stop, like,right on the edge of the balcony. So you'd end up with sheets of raincoming down in front of it, and you'd stand one step back. I've been behinda waterfall. As you can watch this rain, you can watch theweather, and but it but in the in a sort of relative safety of beingback far enough. And I I used to love that, being in touchwith nature Mhmm. And being able to touch it, if you like, withoutbeing in it. And the other thing I loved about it was,and I'm sure people who live in the countryside or other places realize this, wewe your horizon is literally miles away,whereas most people's horizons in their backyard is their fence or theshed or another house or something. But living in a property where thehorizon was literally miles away, and you could seeout and the boats and the so, yeah, it was likea a screensaver. Every day, it's going on. People digging for baitor the trawlers or Oh, wow. Super yachts coming into the marina, thatkind of stuff. So, yeah, it's a it's a lovely place to just be intouch with stuff happening. Yes.Entertainment. Yeah. It's it's it's amazing. Do you know what's just popped into
Sarah Naylorguest
my head right now as well? That Joni Mitchell song put up put up aparking lot. You know, they and it is it's the paved paradise andput up a parking lot. And it's it's it's just it's mad, isn't it? Andthat's exactly what we've been doing to the world. And it we've got all thisbeauty around us, and it's all too quick to toto pave over it or put Tom, I Joanne and and, oh,don't get me on fake grass. It's like, no.Jesus. No. And, actually, I was listening to the,
Sarah Naylorguest
news on the was it today or yesterday on the radio? And they were talkingabout, you know, obviously, all the environmental issues. And I think the Thames Water, theywere talking about who the the shareholders. The shareholders have probably taken offlow 1,000,000 and 1,000,000 of pounds don't want to invest any money intoit unless they put up the the bills to the localresidents by 40%. It's just absolutelyoutrageous. Anyway, that's that aside, there was somebody that wastalking and said that we've got to stop paving over thingsbecause when we pave over things that we can'tthe ground's not absorbing all the rain. This is why there's all the issues becauseit we need the ground and that all these new builds,it's causing chaos everywhere because the ground's bit you know, all that sortof soakaway area is gone. And we then pave over it, andthere's nowhere for the water to go. Yeah. Speaking of I think it's Thames Water.
Joanne Lockwoodhost
The, about the boat race this weekend. They're talking about then notthrowing the cocks in the water because of all the e coli that's, inthis Yeah. In terms of and you were talking about thesemicroorganisms in the water. And, yeah, I I said, I was gonnatell you last night. They had someone at a at a a beaker full ofwater. So there'd be billions of these E. Coli bacteria in this water. Isaid, blimey. That's a yeah. So don't don't, and then went to you inthe crew afterwards and said, are you worried about E Coli? And I said,oh, in the moment, we'll just dive in, and we'll be fine.
Sarah Naylorguest
Yeah. But you know what? I think we've also lived in toomuch of a sanitizedworld as well. There's been this sort of, oh, no. We can't have bugs. We'vegot to sanitize everything. Well, we we need tobuild up that resilience. We need to have kids have dirt in theirfingernails and stick it in their mouth and get it's all part of ourbodies building up antibodies and being able to cope and survive. Youyou just, you know, sort of sanitizing everything. Wewe we don't live in that kind of world, do we? You know? And Iwouldn't want to live in a hermetically sealed world. Like, you were just talking aboutother people in the car. I was just sitting there going, you can't see me,actually. I was just pulling a face. Oh, really?Driving along. Sarah holding the steering wheel, putting us like a
Joanne Lockwoodhost
a a a goofy face. Yeah. That's that's that's the impression of people on then 25 in their car with the windows up. Well yeah. Exactly. No. And have
Sarah Naylorguest
you seen how many people grimace when they're driving as well and don't care aboutother drivers? And the craziness of drivers as well is just like, ohmy patience, people. But people are sort ofrushed to get places for some bizarre reason. You know? We're not not sayingthat I I don't like to get to places from time to time. But it'sjust like if you're stuck in traffic, it's like, do you know what?Clearly wasn't meant to be. It it's meant to be. Something'sholding me back from getting to where I think I want to be atthat particular point, but it's holding me back for a reason. And it'sunderstanding that and accepting that that, you know, we'll get there. Oh,
Joanne Lockwoodhost
the news has been a story about this, thisshopkeeper who bought Easter eggs. And instead of buying abox, he bought a 100 boxes or something. So, you know, he's he'snow shipping all over the world. And, well, I think we've we've all probably gota story about how we we want to order some bananas on ourInternet shopping. And instead of ordering a bunch, we end up with,10 bunches or a 100 bunches or something. Now we we've been there as well.The the test goes past on the doorstep with a a box full of bananasgoing, did you really order these? No. We didn't. No. We didn't. Just the one,please. We had the best bet. Anyway, over over COVID, my mywife, Marie, she, she did this with the hand sanitizer.She she didn't send it back. So we end up with crates ofhand sanitizer everywhere. And, it took a while forMarie to stop being addicted.
Joanne Lockwoodhost
I'm used that word addicted to sanitization,where she felt the need to always be rubbing handsanitizer into her hands, making sure that the the the soap we had onthe sink and the bathrooms were all antibacterial. And we we goout shopping, and she would zigzag around shops to thehand sanitizer stations throughout the shops and having a every time she says, Ihave to do it. I have to do it. And it took her a longwhile to get used to the idea that she she could exist inthe world naturally without having to sanitize.And it's we do. We get caught up in this. Yeah.Overprotectionism, I maybe. Yes. No. But but,
Sarah Naylorguest
again, it's this external pressure, isn't it? I mean, I,yeah, I mean, it's a long time back now, but with all thethe inoculations and the jabs and things like that, I generallydidn't want to have them. And I didn't you know, working from home, and Iwasn't socialized. I didn't really see I don't want to put all this stuff intomy body. I really don't. I mean, let's face it. How long it takes themto usually test things and it suddenly they've got they've got a solution.Don't think so. Anyway, that's going back into the into thattime, but the reason I did was because I've got my parents in the races,and they're all they're they're inoculating, and I needed to be able to see them.My dad had been in a care home at the time because he'd had astroke, and there's all this sort of stuff going on. So I sort ofhad to go with the flow, but it Ihow good was it? How much did it I don't know. This thisyou don't really know what you've put into your body, do you? A lot ofheavy metals and things like that, and you've got to be really mindful when youcome back down to the sanitizer. All of this stuff that you're putting onto yourhands gets absorbed in through your skin, into your bones. And what are what arewe what are we doing to ourselves? You know? You've gotta be really careful withall not what I say. You have. But I use body
Sarah Naylorguest
lotion all the time, but it it is on my mind when I'm using bodylotion and deodorants that it's keeping my epidermisnice and smooth, but actually, what's happeningwhat's happening to my body overall? Youknow? What am I what am I actually putting on? How is it getting absorbed?Really ought to have something much more natural because when you look at the ingredientson all these products, there's there's all I think there's a wholewhole issue of health. In fact, there's a but that's going off in another subjectmatter altogether about food. We The Plant Paradox by doctor StephenGundry is a very interesting book about how ailmentshave increased in line withfood production and what people eat, particularly, obviously, this is in the States.And it's it's really interesting, the whole sortof foods that we eat that aren't good for our body and the reason they'renot and how you Joanne change them so that when you do eat them, yourbody's not rejecting them and which is what why how you end upill. And then the same thing comes about what we're putting on our bodies andall the things and all the products all around us have got. Are treated withthis. They're treated with that, and we're we're breathing it all in, which is whywhen then you've got your roof off and you're out in nature, you feel somuch better because you're not not breathing in all that rubbish.Apart from when you're off you've got your roof off in the m 25 andyou're next to a, an Arctic pumping out some diesel, I guess, that's a littlebit different. But the the convenience food industry
Joanne Lockwoodhost
has, has become and I'm I'm this could sound like a really crazy way ofsaying it. Convenience food industry is convenient, and it'sit's actually hard sometimes to to havehealthier options to do different because we're sowe're so ingrained now to click on it, shop onit, scan it, put it in our baskets. To actuallystart cooking from scratch is hardis much harder. My mom said It is. That it is. If you
Sarah Naylorguest
tell yourself that story and that dialogue, and that's what the food production companieswant because that's what they've marketed right from the I mean, I remember havingthe the Vesta meals back in the seventies. That was,like, the first curry that came out. But I was very lucky both of myparents both cooked. Actually, when I left home, I hadn't I didn't need tocook. My dad always used to cook really nice Chinese Joanne incurries. My mom had done cooking, and she all our meals wereall cooked from scratch. And my Joanne obviously cooked, and that's historical.Then I had to learn to cook, and I enjoy cooking. Yeah.I really do. I end up getting too busy with doing other things. Igo, oh, I need and sometimes, like this week,hands up, we had we had chips in the car inHunstanton the other night because we'd been spent all day decorating. Then we'dbeen out to pick something up that else we'd seen on Facebook Marketplace. And wejust got to the chip shop in time. These chips and fish cake were just
Sarah Naylorguest
amazing. Following day, similar sort of scenario,and we ended up going to Tesco's and getting a meal deal. Other supermarketsare available. And, it was just it was justeasy. But last night, I cooked I I grated up some couple ofcourgettes, zested a lemon, squeezed the lemon,chopped up some garlic, and pan fried thepan fried the courgette with the garlic, withsome chili seeds, and then put in some raw kingprawns, cook them up, and at the same time, cook some pasta, then mix the2 together really quick, really easy, and far much far healthierthan the previous 2 nights meals. Anddiet and your health and nutrition is very much on my agenda.Because I I do enjoy cooking, but I've just it's about putting boundaries inplace. It's about going, do you know what? No. I need to stop atthis point of the day, and the you know, I want to cook. I wantto eat nice meals. Did porridge for breakfast this morning with chia seeds and witha, chopped up chopped up pear, somegrate some broken up walnuts, and some raspberries on top.But I made the porridge with water, so it was, you know, you've not gotthe fat from the milk either. That's lovely. I should come around one day, probably.Come around. Come around. We'll we'll go we'll go for we'll go for a walkthrough the woods and down across the across the nature reserve to the beach,which is very nice. Fantastic. I know. It's, It's it's lovely. I love that sort
Joanne Lockwoodhost
of thing. I mean, my wife and I, Mary, we're we kind ofour kind of exercise hobby is is Natural Trusthouses and things. So we Oh, lovely. We love we love going for water aroundNational Trust and just enjoy sitting in someone else's garden sometimes. You know, it's niceto sit in a garden, watch the world go by, have a wander around bythe stream. You know, imagine you're a 19thcentury lord or ladies wandering around these places. It's, yeah, it's it's nice.And, Well, if you come up if you come up to see we are only
Sarah Naylorguest
3 miles from Sandringham, so you can go you can go very upmarket,darling. Hey. Terrific. Absolutely. Yes.Have have you ever watched The Windsors, the com the comedy series The Windsors?
Joanne Lockwoodhost
No. Never seen that one. We've done The Crown or those sort of, but never
Sarah Naylorguest
Watch watch The Windsors. Harry Enfield stars. Andit's so, so, so funny. But there's a sketch or in fact, if you canif you hit YouTube, you could probably pick up a bit of it in there.It's Harry Enfield plays king Charles as he wasPrince Charles when it was obviously all filmed. And it's thethe the the the shop effectively. It just makes me happybecause when we go to the shop at Sandringham, it's like, how much?How much? But in this in this sketch, the the lady the the shopassistant, she's like, falling over him, like, oh, but you can add lots of extranaughts because people buy it because it's you. It's yours, and it's justlike it's almost like it's a parody on the reality, and it'sjust really funny. It's really funny. And the and the girls that play Beatrice andEugenie are hilarious. Watch it. You you will love it. You will love it. It'sreally, really, really funny. Yeah. You're so right. Because some of these places,
Joanne Lockwoodhost
they do add the x 0 on because that's that's the market. Andthe other argument is if you're not charging too much, then peoplewonder why it's not why you're not, or they don't see the value in itbecause, oh, hang on a minute. I couldn't possibly spend £10 on ascarf unless it's Hermes and it's £200. How can it be anygood? You sometimes gotta you've got sometimes gotta price it to theto the shop, haven't you, as well? Oh, it's it's mad, folks. I mean, when
Sarah Naylorguest
you start to think about what things actually are, what you end uppaying for is you're paying for the marketing. You're paying for the marketeersto tell you that you need to buy this product. That's what's so ridiculous. Yeah.Yes. I I understand. I mean, some products are clearlymuch better quality than other products. Totally get that. And then youare paying for the for the quality, and I would ratherhave the quality than something that's gonna fall apartbecause, yeah, there's a there is a great difference, but sometimes you Jo,really? I picked up a wooden coaster, I mean, a wooden coaster, andit got a picture of Sandringham House in the middle of it. How much doyou think Lockwood just a single wooden coaster with a picture of SandringhamHouse sort of effectively etched in the middle of it? 20
Joanne Lockwoodhost
quid. Something like that. Yeah. It's just Yeah. What?
Sarah Naylorguest
What? No. Yeah.Tea towel. Was it just like 20 quid for a tea was was it 20quid? Might even be more. Involved in in some human craftsmanship. You can't
Joanne Lockwoodhost
understand valuing someone's time. If it's if it's mass producedor off a machine, it it's literally you're paying forcopyright or, as you say, marketing or branding or justbeing in the being in the right place at the right time. Oh, I know.
Sarah Naylorguest
It's just it's it's it's bonkers. And I I I mean, yeah, I mean, Ilike certain I don't know. Anyway, I've I've discoveredvinted now. Anyway, I'm a bit of a vinted addict.So it's a great way of repurposing getting quality items that have costat a a reduced price. And you're freed up toif you really do want to go and spend big money on things, you cando. I really shouldn't have spent you know, bought a latex dress the other day,but hey ho, it's very nice. Yeah. But you've got an
Joanne Lockwoodhost
Instagram jacket. Jeans though, Jeff. I need new jeans. Yeah.
Sarah Naylorguest
I'll be more I'll have more time opportunities to wear a pair of jeans Icould have bought when 3 pairs of mine are ditched.Latex dress. Yeah. But latex dress is is like business. It's
Joanne Lockwoodhost
not just pleasure. It's it's business, right, your it's part of your your channel,your followers. It is. It is. And watch out. I will be I will be,
Sarah Naylorguest
launching out as the leadership and latex speaker at some point this year. I'mlooking forward to, getting a keynote delivered in that area aboutall the things we've been talking about, you know, about being yourself and embracingyourself. Latex dress, I I hope. Well, I thought it's translucent,maybe not.Big pants underneath. I'll be alright. Big
Joanne Lockwoodhost
pants. Nip into mouth, then go and get myself a pants.
Sarah Naylorguest
Is that the brand you're looking for? Latex dress and big
Joanne Lockwoodhost
pants? It's like Yeah. Because it's a it's a winner.It's a winner. Just maybe just tryanother Instagram channel. Yep. Big Joanne and latex or something. Well,
Sarah Naylorguest
do you know what? It's probably a thing. It's probably a thing. It's,they maybe fishnets in the dress and a pair of pleaser boots. There we go.How about that? Have you seenpleaser boots? You know what they look like? Go on and describe it for theThey're huge. They're they're a bit like the stripper heels you can get them.They're massive. They've got, like, about, I don't know, almost, like, 10inch heels on them, but they've got platforms. But the fact that they're a bootand they lace up on your feet, so you Joanne Kinky boot type. Like a
Joanne Lockwoodhost
kinky boot? Yeah. A bit like that. But they've got I've got a pair in
Sarah Naylorguest
red and a pair in purple. I I would like some more. I do covetsome more. But You don't wear them when you're out for a walk
Joanne Lockwoodhost
or a jog? No. No. We wear wear them
Sarah Naylorguest
well. We have we have done latex shoot on the beach. We did it aboutnaught degrees in January. It was very liberating and very invigoratingand very bracing all at the same time because when you're wearing latex and it'scold, you might as well not be wearing anything. Yeah. I can I can
Joanne Lockwoodhost
imagine it's it's it's probably okay forwind protection, but not very much good for for insulation, though, is it?
Sarah Naylorguest
No insulation at all. No. It's it's I mean, it just goes cold. But ona hot day when you're wearing it, it it sort of attack it it changesto your body temperature. Jo, yeah, you can getinvariably, when I've if if we've taken some photographs at home and it's the heating'sbeen on and oh my god. Soare you? It's just likedripping is all I can say. It's just Jo you you use lots of
Joanne Lockwoodhost
talcum powder, presumably. Well, it's a dressing aid. You can it depends on the
Sarah Naylorguest
item. Sometimes I wear used, talcum, other times, dressing aid. So youhave a special dressing and then obviously polish it all as well, and it looksshiny. Shiny shiny.
Joanne Lockwoodhost
I'm I'm I'm so curious. I haven't checked your Instagram account, but I'll but I'mdefinitely gonna be, pretty sure. You've got your phone to hand, Jo? Iyeah. I have. Yes. Let me let me I did tell you what it was
Sarah Naylorguest
called. You could have a look at it now, and then and let the listenersall hear you're you're Right. So there's
Joanne Lockwoodhost
our IG. Okay. We're gonna go Lucy Yeah.
Sarah Naylorguest
L u c y. Latex. Lucy loves. Lucy loves
Joanne Lockwoodhost
latex. Yeah. There you go.
Sarah Naylorguest
Joanne's looking very That you? Intentlyat the screen. That's that's not you that's not you though, is it? No. That'snot me. Oh. That's somebody else who does latex. There's some Oh, there's a
Joanne Lockwoodhost
similar account. Okay. I've I've found There are people that steal my
Sarah Naylorguest
stuff and put it on Twitter and, say, Facebook underneath other people'snames. I keep on having to report things and have it taken down. It's horrible.People steal your content, and it's just that. Have you found me?Yes. That's me. Oh, I see. So you've got the,
Joanne Lockwoodhost
burgundy latex dress? Yep. Rubber closet. Pleaserboots, are they? They are. Pleaser boots, are they? Yeah. Indeed. I was gonna sayI recognize your glasses, but they're not even the same glasses. No. I've got pink
Sarah Naylorguest
ones on in that photo. Yeah. Of course. I did have those on earlier whenI went running because they're lighter weight. Right. Well, there we go. I mean, for
Joanne Lockwoodhost
anyone who's, who's listening and you can't see these, I Irecommend you it's Lucy loves latex. Thank you so
Sarah Naylorguest
much. Yeah. Now the world knows. Woo hoo. Yeah.
Joanne Lockwoodhost
And, we're not we're not we're not afraid to tellpeople. You know, we we've we've we've lost that inhibition to hold that back. And
Sarah Naylorguest
Exactly. I guess that's the message, isn't it? Yeah. Kinks and all. Be yourself. Juststep out. Be yourself. I mean, what's the worst that can happen? I was actually,approached last year by a journalist, and we had a a double pagespread in a double page spread in a magazine. That'slife.Oh, it's just it's fun. Honestly, is is it hurting anybody? No.Do we look good? Yeah. Hell yeah. Do we havefun? Loads of it. Do we do it all the time? No.But does it give us enjoyment? Yes. So do stuff,folks, that brings you joy, brings you happiness.It doesn't hurt anybody if you're not doing something deliberately to hurt anybody else.You know, do it. Do it. Be happy. Be in flow.Get have fun and laugh a lot. That's what I'd say.
Joanne Lockwoodhost
Yeah. This this this one here's got a 100 and was it 10,20,000 views watches. Yeah. So Oh, one of my oh, one
Sarah Naylorguest
of mine's had 10,000,000 views. 10,000,000? Wow. 10,000,000views. And another one's had 2,000,000. The more recently, I thinkthey've been the Instagram haven't been sharing latex cleft content.A lot of the people I know who who wear latex and have got latexchannels on there, their their content's not been sharedbeyond their followers, but what why I don't know. However, it iswhat it is. But, again, I've had to get out of my own way onthat front because, actually, we do it because we have fun doing it. We enjoydoing it. Jo, therefore, don't worry about thevolume of followers, although I think there's about 62,000 on there at the moment. ButYeah. It's just a lot bit of lighthearted fun.
Joanne Lockwoodhost
For sure. So, that's your I was gonna say your alter ego, but that's that'sthat's not alter ego. It's just part of your ego. Yeah. Exactly. What are theother what what what are the other parts yeah. The other quadrants of of whoyou are? How do people get a hold of you? Gosh. Well, I'm I'm all
Sarah Naylorguest
sorts of everything. So you can find me over on LinkedIn, Sarah Jo Naylor,and you can find me on Insight Timer as Sarah j Naylor. I'm on YouTubeas Sarah j Naylor. I'm and I'm actually now known as theNorfolk Coastal Coach. I've recreated a brand that do walk and talkcoaching along the seafront, and I've added that. Sothat is my I've got a website that is north the Norfolk Coastal Coachdotco shall I start again? The Norfolk Coastal Coachdotco.uk, which takes you over to my Sarah Jo Naylor dot comwebsite. So you can find out all about me on there. I've written a
Sarah Naylorguest
book, how to man shining a light on you, how to manifest your dream job,which has also turned into a digital course.And what else have I I've got this I keep this stuff that I've done.I forget that I've done because I've got, oh, my podcast. You see? HarnessingHappiness with Sarah j Taylor, which is on pause at the moment, but it'sbeen downloaded 40 2,000 times in over a 130 countries. It's a155 episodes out there, so you can access that aswell. And, yeah, I'm generally if you just putSarah Jo Naylor or the Norfolk Coastal Coach into, into the searchengine, you're guaranteed to find me. And if you really would like to go andhave a look at Lucy Loves Latex, you'll find me over there as as
Joanne Lockwoodhost
well. And it even looks like you. So yeah. It does. That's a that thatwould be authentic. Yeah. And if you see anybody who looks like me and hasn't
Sarah Naylorguest
got Lucy Loves Latex, it's not it's somebody else stealing my content.
Joanne Lockwoodhost
Yes. Exactly. There's a lot of people that take it and steal it, and,
Sarah Naylorguest
there's somebody on Facebook that's purporting to be me. There's somebody on X,which is obviously Twitter, purporting to be me, and they're not. Soif it if you if you question it, you'll know it's me because it'sme. If it's question mark Lucy loves latex,
Joanne Lockwoodhost
not these imposters. No. Exactly. Exactly.
Sarah Naylorguest
But, otherwise, I'm Sarah Jo Naylor or the Norfolk ghost dogcoach. Yes. And that was impersonating Sarah Jo Nayler.
Joanne Lockwoodhost
Just No. I am me. I am well, do you know what?
Sarah Naylorguest
The the the frustrating thing is is that it's conning other people, but then ifpeople are allowing themselves to be conned,you can't fight other people's battles for them because I couldspend a huge amount of time trying to battle it all. And and what wouldhappen is somebody else would pop up doing something else. So Ijust get on and do my thing and do what I can when I can,but I'm not going to spend hours and hours and hours. That's notmy it's not my fight. Incredible. Thank you so much. For those who are
Joanne Lockwoodhost
listening, you've got the details. You know where to contactSarah Jo Naylor or Lucy Loves Latex if you wish.So thank you. Amazing. That's brilliant.
Sarah Naylorguest
I loved it. It's been absolute joy. My pleasure. Thank you so much forhaving me as a guest. As we bring this
Joanne Lockwoodhost
conversation to a close, I want to express my deepestgratitude to you, our listener, for lending yourear and heart to the cause of inclusion.Today's discussion struck a chord. Consider subscribing toInclusion Bites and become part of our ever growingcommunity, driving real change. Share this journey withfriends, family, and colleagues. Let's amplify the voicesthat matter. Got thoughts, stories, or avision to share? I'm all ears. Reach out to Jodotco.uk, and let's make your voice heard.Until next time. This is Joanne Lockwood signing offfor the promise to return with more enriching narratives thatchallenge, inspire, and unite us all. Here's tofostering a more inclusive world one episode at a time. Catchyou on the next bite.
This episode of The Inclusion Bites Podcast invites listeners into a candid discussion between Joanne Lockwood and Sarah Naylor, where they tackle the sensitive topics of body autonomy, environmental concerns, and the bravery needed to live authentically in a world full of expectations. Sarah narrates how her personal ethos towards health and our connection to food has evolved, touching on the insights gained from "The Plant Paradox" and the often-overlooked importance of cooking from scratch. Meanwhile, Joanne reflects on her own journey of self-discovery and the courage it takes to stand strong in the wake of negativity, especially from online trolling. The conversation takes a personal turn as both share their struggles with financial challenges and the liberating experience of living true to oneself.
Sarah is not only an enthusiastic coach but also a purveyor of positive change, with her own podcast and a presence on Insight Timer. Her mission to reframe thoughts and trick the subconscious into positivity is a testament to her dedication to personal growth and empowerment. Sarah shares stories of overcoming setbacks — such as her business going into administration and difficult family dynamics — all while maintaining her signature mix of pragmatism and optimism. With Joanne as the experienced host, they explore the intertwined paths of personal authenticity and the external pressures of conformity, whether it's in the waters we swim in or the vaccines we debate over.
From accidental bulk purchases to the comedic mishaps of over-sanitization, this episode offers a hearty mix of laughter and depth. Sarah stresses the importance of understanding one's own behaviour in the face of societal fears while emphasising the significance of environmental sustainability through personal anecdotes. Joanne, joining in from her wealth of inclusion expertise, resonates with Sarah's views on the world being an interconnected energy system and the pivotal role of authenticity for a richer life experience.
This rich dialogue concludes with an affirming reminder of the value found in authentic self-representation and the art of not just surviving but thriving amidst adversity. Joanne wraps up with an invitation for the listeners to subscribe and become an active part of the Inclusion Bites community.
A poignant takeaway from this episode is the resonating belief in one's ability to effect positive change by embracing authenticity and self-acceptance, regardless of societal pressures. Listeners are sure to find inspiration in Sarah and Joanne's stories of perseverance, learning along the way the balance between personal fulfillment and the conscious choice to interact with the world in a meaningful and sustainable manner.
The views and opinions expressed by guests are their own and do not necessarily reflect those of Inclusion Bites, SEE Change Happen Ltd or Joanne Lockwood. This episode is shared for general interest and discussion; we accept no responsibility for the accuracy or completeness of any statements made.
