Vision Boarding, Creativity, and Inclusive Empowerment
Janet Tanguay explores the journey of transforming dreams into action, weaving together vision boarding, inclusion, and the profound impact of authentic connection to inspire self-belief and meaningful change.
Welcome to Inclusion Bites, your sanctuaryfor bold conversations that spark change. I'm Joanne Lockwood,your guide on this journey of exploration into the heart ofinclusion, belonging and societal transformation.Ever wondered what it truly takes to create a world without? Remember, everyonenot only belongs, but thrives. You're not alone.Join me as we uncover the unseen, challengethe status quo and share storeys that resonatedeep within. Ready to dive in? Whether you'resipping your morning coffee or winding down after a long day, let'sconnect, reflect and inspire action together.Don't forget, you can be part of the conversation too. Reach outto jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.ukto share your insights or to join me on the show.So adjust your earbuds and settle in. It's time toignite the spark of inclusion with Inclusion Bites.And today is episode 202 with thetitle Dreams into Action. I have theabsolute honour and privilege to welcome Janet Tanguay.Janet is a powerhouse business strategist and creativecatalyst who helps people turn sparks of inspiration to
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tangible success through visioning, connectionand inclusive entrepreneurial ecosystems. WhenI asked Janet to describe her superpower, she said that it is being asuper connector and joy filled cheerleader who helps othersmanifest their dreams. Hello, Janet. Welcome to the show.
Janet Tanguayguest
I'm delighted to be here, Jo. Thanks for having me. Pleasure. I
Joanne Lockwoodhost
guessing from the accent you're not in the uk. Whereabouts in the world are you?
Janet Tanguayguest
I'm in upstate New York, which is about two and a half hours north ofNew York City in a town called Schenectady. Well, I think, as we
Joanne Lockwoodhost
discussed in the Green Room, my knowledge of the US is it's largely north, south,east and west. There's not a lot of granular in there. Sois that rural city, is it? Yeah, it's sort of, I would say
Janet Tanguayguest
suburban. So we are about three hours from Montreal and threehours from Boston and so it's, it's not as busy as those cities, but it'snice to be able to travel to all of them. Yeah.
Joanne Lockwoodhost
Nip across the Canadian border for a bit of. Absolutely,
Janet Tanguayguest
yeah. I have some Canadian roots, actually. I'm part Abenaki Indianand so I have a tribal card and so I visit the reservationand. Wow. Okay, now we didn't talk about that. In
Joanne Lockwoodhost
agreement. Sure. Yeah, absolutely, yeah. So you are a.A descendant of First Nation, are you? Yes,
Janet Tanguayguest
Abnaki. The Abnaki tribe. And they're presumably east coast based.
Joanne Lockwoodhost
They're not all over the. Yeah, mostly Canada based,
Janet Tanguayguest
but A few are in New York and Vermont, so. And that's where Igrew up, in Vermont, which is a state over from New York.
Joanne Lockwoodhost
Wow. So you have a lot of tribal heritage andculture that you have there, is it? I do. My great grandmother
Janet Tanguayguest
was 100% Abnaki, and so, yeah, andit's a lovely heritage. So I've been, like you said, to the reservation,to the sweat lodges, and apparently I haveaccess to an acre of land in Canada should I ever decide to move tothe reservation. Wow, that's fascinating. That's fast.
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Wow, that's beautiful. Beautiful. I don't think I've ever met anybodywith First Nation heritage before. That's great. Okay, cool.So we're chatting away in the green room aboutthe fact you're a super connector and the fact you help othersmanifest their dreams. What first drew you to that?Where does this spark of inspiration came from? What drew you intothat? This world? Yeah. So for about 13 years, I
Janet Tanguayguest
helped people start new businesses. We had a chamber of commerce, andso there were lots of different people in the room, from GEDsto PhDs. And so I learned about all different kinds of cultures andethnicities and really brought together people all have the same dream of starting abusiness. And so we really all worked together and it was about thebusiness and people had similar dreams. I realised that people. People'sdreams are mostly around the same things, you know, andso I just became intrigued by it all. And I really wanted to create aninclusive, safe place where my job was just to holdspace for people to be their authentic selves. And so that's where my
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love of this started. And then being in that classroom,every once in a while, we'd have a speaker come in and I would besitting at the table and they would say, what's your dream? Where do you wantto be in five years and in your business? And I've always had a sidehustle. For a while I had an art business and. And I helped people getinto galleries and private collections and things like that. But the moreI was in the class, the more I thought I really should leap off fulltime into something full time. And what would my dream be? And so I startedsaying, well, my dream is to be in a hammock more often. Andso it became a running joke. And so when I decided to start my business,the class said, you should call it the Hammock Way of Life. And so that'swhat I did. My business is called the Hammock Way of life because I Wantto be in a hammock more often. And whatever people's dreams are, Itry to help them live theirs as well. Beautiful, beautiful. I'm a great
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believer in the icky guy, which is the Japanese secret ofa happy life, isn't it? And most people don't ever fillthe fourth quadrant in which is do something you enjoy. You getstuck into this earning a living and you never actually step outof that, do you? I know the patterns and I was sort of in that
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space, right. I'm tied into. I have to have health insurance. Health insurance isexpensive here. And so, and so I kept getting locked into. Ihave to have a job. Leaving my job was the best thing that I everdid. I control my own destiny now and help others live their dreams. Andso it really was, it's, you know, set that fear aside and get out ofpatterns and routines and all that was important.And now I can help. I other people do that as well. I don't think
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I've worked for anybody else properly and since the late 90sand I'm self confessed unemployable now, you know,I have run business, my own businesses. But that's different. When youare running your own business with people working for you, you're still working for yourself.And even though you are slave to a slave to your company, youare, you still have that ultimate power to decide whether I'm going to get uptoday or whether I'm going to stay at home today. You can, you can decidethat no one's going to come and knock on your door other than your customers.
Janet Tanguayguest
Right? Yeah. An important piece of thatpuzzle and the other sort of lesson that Ilearned is that when you're a business owner to work on your business,not in it. When I first started working, I was reallyworking in my business as an employee to the customer, right. And so now it'smore working on the business than in it. So trying to help,you know, make good connections and help other people.You know, I have some VAs that help me out. I have all independent contractorsworking with me who are so talented designers and things like that. So I'm notas in the business as on it now. It takes, it
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can take a while though to break the relationship betweenthe harder I work, the more I make. Sometimes you have to,as you say, have to invest your time intothinking, you invest your time into development, invest your time into marketing ornetworking, whatever. Then when you're building your break even,you're building your cost model, you can't build a hundredpercent cost model into working all the time. You can only really work30, 40% if you're lucky. Yes, absolutely. Two
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of my favourite books are the Four Hour Workweek. Tim Ferriss, I think wrote thatbook. And then Orbiting the Giant Hairball and that's a.Do you know that book? No. It's a great title though. It's very.I love it so much. So it's about this gentleman who was at ajob and he realised that a lot of people were unhappy intheir jobs and people kept coming into his office and talking about their problems andthe work that they were doing and all that. And so he kind ofself titled, he created a title for himself aroundcreativity. I'm forgetting the title right now but so they would. He put upa little plaque on his door and people would come in and. And he createdthis beautifully creative space for them to come and talk about their problems. He createdhis own kind of job for himself around creativity. He'd give them creative solutionsand all of that. And so the giant hairball is the corporation and he madehis own path in that corporation. So. But, but you'reright, once you sort of embrace entrepreneurship, it is hard to go back to workfor anyone else. It's also quite scary that leap out though, isn't it?
Joanne Lockwoodhost
As you say, you are kind of handcuffed by your organisation forhealth care, bonuses and mortgage payments, all thesesort of things. And family commitments. You think, can I risk everything onblack and spin the wheel and see what happens? It takes,
Janet Tanguayguest
right? It takes self belief. And I think the other thing that people forgetabout is that you can, you know, the first few years anyway, treatit like a job. You wake up in the morning and yousort of, you know, go to work. It's not like you have your own business.You can just sit back and do nothing. You still have to network, you stillhave to do the accounting work or hire someone to do that. So I thinkit's just, you know, you have to figure things out initially and if you believein yourself and whatever it is your dream is and they're passionate about it andyou're not doing it for someone else. Right. I've seen people do it for someoneelse and not themselves and that's when it usually fails. Yeah,
Joanne Lockwoodhost
that's the key thing, isn't it? You've got to find that spark. If it feelslike work, it's not going to succeed, is it? It's got to, it's really gotto feel vocational, it's got You've got a passion for it. It's got to.Because one of the things I've got is being self employed or working for yourselfis you can work when you want, but the flipside of that is you have to work when you don't want. So youhave to take those opportunities when you can. And sometimes you go,actually, I've got to do this, I don't want to, I gotta do this.
Janet Tanguayguest
Right. But, and I, I'm at a point where my work feels like play. SoI would do this even if I weren't getting paid for it. So I lovewhat I do. I help other people live their dreams and so that to meis really fulfilling. I love being a cheerleader and watching otherpeople, you know, attain their dreams and it always comes full circle. Somehowmy dreams come true by helping other people. Right.It's really kind of cool. I'm with you on that. I would do a lot
Joanne Lockwoodhost
of what I do even if I didn't need the money, butI would do it differently. I'd be sitting here, I'd be in Malibu or somethingrecording this podcast. Not, not in, not in the south of England, you know, I'dbe in the south of France. I'd have a villa somewhere. So yeah, if Ihad unlimited money, I might still do the podcast, but it would be on my
Joanne Lockwoodhost
different terms. Different terms. Right, right, right, sure, yeah, I hear you
Janet Tanguayguest
on that one. So, yeah, and, and the way I've had, I've worked with clientswho, who make those things happen. Right. So I, I have a, one of thecoaches and my network. So, so that's what I, I do, I, I,I do vision, I use vision boarding as a tool to help people's dreamscome true. And so I get so busy with it that I, I have 50right now trained and certified vision board coaches throughout the world. And soone of them decided that she wanted to travel. And so she isa photographer and she approaches resorts and says, can I do some visionboarding and I will photograph the grounds of your property for free. AndI think she has a family member who works for an airline and so shegets some free tickets and so she travels all around the world. She was inCosta Rica recently and I think she's in Tulum now. So yeah, it's really kindof cool. I know some people who do this. Some of the
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influencers out there, they, they do a similar thing. They go to hotels and say,look, I'm an, I'm an influencer. I've got all these instagram followers. I'd like tocome and spend some time at your resort, film it, do a little mini documentary.Would you give me free, free accommodation for a week? And they get, most timesthey go, yeah. And then you, they just travel around the world being aninfluencer. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And a lot of the hotels need to
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fill, you know, they need to fill rooms. Right. So they, yeah, so they're,they're open to it for the most part. It's kind of that symbiotic relationship and
Joanne Lockwoodhost
the influencer gets a great venue somewhere to live andstay and have fun with and the venue gets some greatmarketing material and some authority to, I don't know, fiftyhundred thousand followers or something that's going to absolutely showcase their product. And
Janet Tanguayguest
that's the whole point of visioning, right, that it doesn't have to be expensive.You know, if you want a, a new car, go test drive the car. Itcosts nothing to test drive a car. Or if you want a new home, goto some open houses and start really dreaming of what it would be like foryou to, to be there and, and feel into it and journal about it and,and all of that. So. But there can be low cost things that you cando that, you know, towards your dreams. So it's a bit like
Joanne Lockwoodhost
if you want to win the lottery, you have to buy a ticket, don't you?
Janet Tanguayguest
Absolutely. Right, yes. Yeah. In other words, you've got all the hopes and dreams, but
Joanne Lockwoodhost
they're any of the potential. Exactly. Right, yeah, yeah, that's true.So what is vision boarding? You've mentioned it a couple of times andI've got a mental picture, but I'm not 100% surewhat is it exactly. Sure, sure. Well, it's sort of the way we do vision
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boarding is a little bit different because we bring in so many different tools aroundit now. So basically it's taking either if you do ittangibly with a poster, you have poster boards and magazines andglue sticks and you sort of sort through them and see whatimages appeal to you and around the things that youdesire in life. And, and if you do it digitally, youcan use things like Canva or Pinterest or Mural or things like that.And so we're taking vision boards boarding now and usingAI tools in them. We also bring in sound healersand improv actors and business, businessmodel canvas. And it just depends on what the client wants. And they're really greatfor team building, for staff appreciation, volunteer appreciation. Peoplereally want to focus people in jobs and People that maybedesire to be in their own business and have certain dreams don'ttake the time to really focus on them. And I think that's part of. Theimportant part of what we do is that we. We allow people to take thetime to really focus on what they want instead of just going through the grindevery day. So it's creating a visual
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metaphor for an aspiration, a dream,a milestone or whatever you want to achieve. Bit like thecoaching model. Where are we now? We're at 5. How do we get to 10?This is actually putting a picture against 10 or against 5,so we can say, ah, when I have 5, my house looks likethis. When I have 10, my house looks like this. Right. That's what I'm aimingfor. So it's helping people crystallise their vision. Yeah, yeah. And
Janet Tanguayguest
there's a lot of neuroscience that backs it now, too. So when we have sceptics,and sometimes not everyone, but, you know, we've been in largeengineering groups and insurance companies and things like that, they come in sceptically. Bankers,right. They maybe have seen people's dreams fall apart or something, but they comein a little bit sceptical. And so what happens is we showthem that by looking at these pictures andwords on a daily basis, it somehow wires your brainto be able to say, oh, this is coming to me. It's like, when. Whenhave you ever, you know, purchased a new car and then you see it onthe road everywhere. You never saw it before you wanted it, Right? So it'ssimilar to that. So if you see it every day, somehow it manifests in yourworld. So. So keeping it at the forefront. And sometimesI forget I've had some things manifest in very different ways. Oneyear I put a picture of a Buddha in the middle of my board. Tome, that meant slow down, do some yoga, relax more. AndI was sent to China on a trip and was at the. Found myself atthe biggest Buddha temple in China. Be careful what you wish for on these boards.Another time, I put a picture of a car. I couldn't find the car thatI wanted, so I put a picture of a different car. And I'm driving thatcar now. So it's funny how. How things manifest in. In verydifferent ways. So it's not just social media
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listening to your conversations on your phone when you're chatting inthe living room, and then suddenly you go onto Facebook and everything's got an advertfor everything you've just talked about. That's a whole other. Yeah. That's a whole other
Janet Tanguayguest
thing. That's a whole other spooky thing. Yeah, yeah. It's funny, though. And
Joanne Lockwoodhost
it does happen, though, doesn't it? Seems to, yeah, it does, yeah. I mean, itcould just be this. A similar sort of brain phenomenon where you've. Cause you justtalked about it, suddenly you notice it everywhere, as you said, right? Yeah, yeah. And
Janet Tanguayguest
maybe you didn't notice it, Right. Maybe you just were saying it a lot andyou didn't notice that. Right. It was going to. And then showing up in yourfeed. Yeah. Makes it. Makes it a reality. Right. A few years ago I
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noticed that we. I was going. I was driving around and I was drivingdown this road and then I saw this street name that it was. I. Idon't know, I can't remember what it was. It was like David Close or somethingand I'd just been talking about a David and then suddenly I'm driving somewhere elseand suddenly David there and then there's David there and then there's David there andI'm thinking, is there a glitch in the matrix or something? Is something sort of.Have I. Have I hit this deja vu moment where thematrix is glitched and suddenly now I'm seeing everything and. Yeah, yeah. So I would
Janet Tanguayguest
say that's fine. That's a. That definitely follow the. You know, follow thesigns. I always say, you know, that there's. There's some. I follow thesigns all the. All the time and I actually get literal signs. So. So somepeople get them on licence plates or they might see a penny or a featheror something like that and I actually get literal signs that. That appearso. When I was. When I was younger, I was in the middle oftransitioning from one job to another and I wasn't sure whether to take this job.And every day on the way to the gym, there was this fish fry placeand it said, new sign coming soon. And it was up for two years, sothe anticipation was really killing me. Right. So I finally.On the day that I kind of put out the request, you know, send mea sign if I'm supposed to take this job, the new sign came upand it was a big sign of a. It was a picture of a fishand. And the head of the. The new organisation that I was anticipatinggoing to was named Fish. And so I thought that was my sign to leave.Leave the job. It was actually a. You'll laugh at this one. It was a
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job in banking and I lasted four days inbanking after I Took that job because. So the first day on thejob, the trainer was out, so some out sick or something, and they had adifferent trainer come in and told us all the ways that a bank could berobbed. And so that was my first day, so. And then my secondday was training with somebody who'd been in banking their whole life. And soI was supposed to be the manager and she came in and was outshining meand. But really what put me over the edge was they were going to makeme wear a sweater vest with a white shirt for the rest of my life.And I was in the parking lot crying, saying, I can'twear. I don't look good in sweater vests. I can't wear a sweater vest forthe rest of my life. And so that's why I ended up leaving the job,because of the sweater vest. Well, that was a sign, wasn't it? It was. Itwas a sign. Yeah. You look in the mirror, you're in a sweater vest going,
Joanne Lockwoodhost
that's not my vision. Exactly. And it led me to
Janet Tanguayguest
this wonderful career as a, you know, a business strategist and dreammaker and creative catalyst. So. Yeah, yeah.
Joanne Lockwoodhost
So in the show notes, and we're talking about in the green room, you've workedwith people from all demographics and backgrounds,some people from marginalised communities. I guess, given your.Your heritage of your family heritage, you work withcommunities that aren't in the majority. Often people'svisions must be different. You know, not everybody wants to be a millionaire, dothey? Some people want health or happiness. What do they look like?
Janet Tanguayguest
Yeah, that's such an important point. So, you know, I've learned lots oflessons over the years and I think the one that for me was the mostjust telling and that I really became sensitive towas we were working in an organisation with the staffof an organisation that helped the unhoused. And so we wentinto it and I always bring lots of travel magazines intothese workshops and glorious houses and, you know, all sorts of things.Architectural Digest and, you know, Conde Nast travelmagazines. And so what happened at the end of it was that when they sharedtheir vision boards, they were showing pictures of foodand pictures of chairs and couches andthings from the furniture magazines, but there was no travel anywhere on any ofthe boards. The travel magazine sat untouched. And sofrom that point forward, I really made an effort to know myaudience and dive deeper into who are these people andwhat are their dreams and goals before I enter the room, just like we did.You talked to me before. I Came on the podcast. Right. Sort of take adeeper dive and always know who am I audience is. So we've workedwith neurodiverse communities, we've worked with LGBTQcommunities, we've worked. One of the things that I bring intosome of the places that I work with, instead of post award, I bring incake boxes because not everyone wants to share their dreams with people so thatpeople can show what they want to show through the clear top of the cakebox and then not show whatever else. It's also three dimensional, so theycan put different, different things in there. And we've worked with,you know, the formerly incarcerated, currently incarcerated and then high, highnet worth women. So it's really across the board. Again, everyone hassome sort of genes but their dream. You're absolutely right. The dreams are, are differentfor different, different. The messages that came throughon one of the boards, we worked with a group of teens during the pandemicand they were in the foster care system and they putlots of pictures of fashion and fast cars and,you know, it was, it was mostly boys. And when it came time for themto share their boards in very, very, very tiny print, it said,I survived my childhood. And I don't thinkhis peers saw it, but certainly the leaders in the group. AndI saw it again, it was virtual, so it was. I had a chanceto see it up close where maybe other people didn't. And so again, really impactfulwork. When you see messaging coming through like. That as you're speaking now and thinking
Joanne Lockwoodhost
this is like a very visual representation of Basso'shierarchy of needs, isn't it? This is when you're, when you're actually doingholidays and aspirational type dreams, you're right at the top ofthat self actualisation, whereas if you're, you've got pictures of foodsafety, you're right there. And that's a real indication of where these people are intheir lives. Absolutely. Really gives you an insight as tohow you can motivate them, how you can talk to, how to communicate. Becauseyou're right, you've got to read the room. And this vision board allows you toreally see where people are at and then you can meet them there. That's reallypowerful. Yeah, yeah, it really, yeah. Like I said, we've got
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all sorts of, you know, opportunity to work with people and peoplewith an ability difference. Right. You have to make sure that theycan access whatever it is you're bringing, poster board that they can reach if it,you know, and all of that so we, like I said, we've learned lots oflessons and also to bring in. I really want people to seethemselves in. In the magazines that I bring. So tofind magazines so that people can see themselves in allways is. Is. Can be challenging. Right. So sometimes I have them bring their ownphotos but I. I chase magazines far and wide to try to makesure that I get them from. From all places. And now I'm seeing a littlebit on, you know, Amazon has. Has books to. Specifically for,you know, people of colour and certain, you know, demographics. You can findspecific vision boarding books just for. For other people. So yeah,
Joanne Lockwoodhost
of course you've got tools like Canva and other platforms where you could probably generateimagery. Absolutely. And virtually. It's easy. Yeah, itis. AI can generate some stuff as well for you now. Yes, yeah,
Janet Tanguayguest
yeah. So sometimes I bring loose. Sometimes I create those in advance and I'llprint them out just from, you know, so. So that I bring loose images. Itdoesn't always have to come from a magazine. Magazines are hard to find these days.They're expensive on the newsstand. I got lucky because my nephew works for a magazinecompany, so sometimes I get them from him. But yeah,
Joanne Lockwoodhost
yeah, I suppose things like dentists and doctors, they createall the coffee tables away during COVID and never put them back. They did. It's
Janet Tanguayguest
really true. Yeah. Libraries sometimes give them away at the end and there'sa few places out there. And again, we make an effort to go into certaingroups, associations sometimes have magazines for their membersand so we make a wide effort to reach out. Yeah,
Joanne Lockwoodhost
we went digital quite quickly, didn't we? We did.As soon as we couldn't give a magazine out, we stopped doing them. Yeah. Soagain, going back to the way you're engaging with some of the, I hate theword marginalised communities, that sounds so. So crass, doesn't it? It'snot, it's not what I'm trying to say. You know, people who are voiceless,unheard, people who maybe don't have the same opportunities asothers. What is it, what is it about. I was going to saythem. I mean that again is stereotyping, is creating a group.What are common paths that come out? You talked about that. Their needs and theirvisions are more day to day, more immediate.But what are the common themes in terms of their hopes and aspirations then? Isthere a common theme that comes out? Yeah, I think family is really important
Janet Tanguayguest
to them, whatever family means to them. And different kinds of families.Right. And I will say money usually makes the board. Becausemost of us need a little bit of that to survive. No matter what whatit is. The amounts are different. I sometimes have them putamounts. Everyone when I say them all the, you know, all of my clientsput amounts of money. So I get specific with them and it is. It isvery different for. For different groups. Some people are putting millions and some people areputting thousands and hundreds. Right. So. So that. Thatstands out sometimes health is. Is also something that I think is. Is prettycommon for. For everyone. It's a common. Common. So those threethings would be similar. Glancing through your show notes
Joanne Lockwoodhost
and what you wrote earlier and a little bit at the bottom just snuck inthere. You own a record label? I do, I do, yeah. I just
Janet Tanguayguest
started one. It's Tangway Productionsand I produced my first record called Smell the Rainwith Jay Ariel and Robert Frederick. Bobknew I had a dream of I write lyrics and he knew that that wasone of my dreams. And he's a musician and he said, you want play aroundand see what we come up with. And so he helped me write the firstversion of it and then I wanted it to be a little more. More Rand B and. And so we brought in Jaya Rael and shebeautifully put something together and. And we have this beautiful recordnow called Smell the Rain. And my second record is in theworks and if I could describe it to you, it is almostduelling instruments, so starting out chaotic and then becomingsomething beautiful at the end, which is kind of, I'm hoping where ourworld is going right now. I don't love that we're in chaos, but I'mhoping it anyway. So that's sort of the theory of it. And so we're bringingtogether lots of different musicians to do that. Is that a bit like Devil Came
Joanne Lockwoodhost
Down To Georgia? Sort of like you got the violin and sort of like givingit a bit of a duel sort of thing. Yeah, bit of a violin goingon. Bit of a. Bit of a drum. Yeah. A call and response sort of
Janet Tanguayguest
thing. Right. That starts out maybe as an argument and you know, not nice andthen. But the. What we're trying to work out right now is will peopleeven list if we start out in chaos? Right. So we're not quite sureabout it, but it's evolving. So yeah, I
Joanne Lockwoodhost
listen to. Indirectly. I listen to a lot of puppy music. So we've got ayoung puppy and we found all these playlists on Apple Music. So wecreate all these. This playlist of puppy music, you know, with fireworks in it andall These Anxiety Anti Anxiety tracks. And I've listened to some really kindof. It's actually more like spa music. It's really nice.We even play it at night now. It's great. So I can imagine some ofthis sort of. Some of the things you're talking about there would fit well intothis sort of puppy music. So, yeah, maybe. Maybe you don't need humans to listento this. Maybe you could just. You could find it. Find an outlet. I love
Janet Tanguayguest
that. I'm gonna. Right after this, I'm gonna go listen to puppy music. That's great.I love that. Thank you. You wouldn't believe how many albums there are about
Joanne Lockwoodhost
puppy music. Anti Anxiety this, Anti Anxiety that. I mean,there's one artist that has like, I don't know, 40 albums and playlists andthings, and it's like. It's fascinating. It doesn't work the same way for cats. I'm
Janet Tanguayguest
more of a cat person. So is it. Does it work the same way forcats? But as a puppy owner and not a cat owner, I've never searched
Joanne Lockwoodhost
for cats. You might find this one for budgery guards and cockatoosand fish. That's great. I love it.
Janet Tanguayguest
Inclusive music for all animals. You talk
Joanne Lockwoodhost
about owning a record label. Tell me a bit more about this. Because I'vejust seen the Bruce Springsteen movie and he's ina recording studio. So I've got this image of an eight track or him, youknow, him ideating his hotel room. Was it his hotel room? He's got his littleecho machine on and then they're in the studio and they've got these people inthis traditional. Is that. Is that what you've got? You've got one of thosestudios? Exactly right. In fact, I had to look really closely to see is that
Janet Tanguayguest
the studio that we. That we, you know, produced the music. And it was thatsimilar. So, yeah, you basically, the engineers are who puts it together in the end.So you have this vision and it's a lot of iterations. It just. Itwas a creative process which I loved. Again, I wear lots of creative hats. I'm
Janet Tanguayguest
a mixed media artist and an author. But this music for mewas so fun to put put together because I play a little bitof piano and I understand a little bit of music, but I really needed alot of musicians to help me. It was so collaborative and I didn't know allthe players. So sometimes the engineer would recommend somebody in their network andwe'd bring in a saxophonist and they weren't quite understanding whatI was Trying to do. And so the second one just got it right. Andso, yeah, so it was really a creative process to get everybody on board tounderstand the. The vision of. Of what I wanted it to be in. Inthe end. So it was, you know, and it's always one of these things whenyou're an artist. When is it ready? Is it ever finished? Right. Sothere's always one more thing that you could do. But so. But when it's. Whenit's ready and you can. You can ask, you know, Amazon Music orSpotify to play it. It's pretty cool. I love that. I
Joanne Lockwoodhost
love that if I've put some things on myvision board, I would have a saxophone on there somewhere, becausethat's always been an instrument. I thought it'd be really cool toplay something, you know, don't play a lot. Just maybe the riff out ofBaker street or something like that. Just something out of that. Just so you can.You're at a party, you're with a load of friends and there's a sax inthe corner. You go, do you mind? Can I. They go, yeah, sure,whatever. And you blast out a bit of that and go, thanks. And just putit down and walk away and just leave everybody in silence. It's really true. So
Janet Tanguayguest
that's funny that you say that, because I started out playing piano andso it was pretty easily easy to translate the notes to the saxophone.The hard part when you don't play a wind instrument is the mouthpiece.Right. To learn all of that was more difficult for me. So I.Yeah, so I loved playing and I could play. I could. I knew I wasplaying the correct notes. But getting the breath work right and all that is thebiggest challenge. Do you play any other? No, I don't. No. I
Joanne Lockwoodhost
learned. My granddad taught me Three Blind Mice onthe piano and bar. Bar Black Sheeponly. Only about. So I'm being very visual here. This isan audio podcast. I only learned about 10 or 15 notes, you know,ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.And if ever I see a piano in a shopping centre or something like that,I go and do Three Blow Mice. Or I do Ba Ba Black Sheep. That'sit. That's me. Yeah. I'm not musical at all.It didn't trigger my brain as something that I could learn. I tried therecorder and like everybody does at school. Recorder, right. Neverprogressed past London's Burning. I don't know if you did that in the States,right? Yeah, Yeah. I live with musical instruments.
Janet Tanguayguest
I have a Xylophone and drums andTibetan bowls and so they're always here when Ineed sound, just to play a little bit of it. So I don't know thatyou absolutely need to be a musician to do that stuff. It just. I lovemusic. Yeah, it's nice to have it. I think you said
Joanne Lockwoodhost
earlier, what would you do if you, you know, would you carry on doing whatyou do if you had it didn't need to work? And I think I'd lovethe opportunity to explore my, my lack of musicality and become a bit more musical,you know. That's great. Yeah. I heard, I heard once someone say thateverybody can learn to sing andI'd like to prove them wrong. I can't.Or prove myself wrong. I can. I agree.
Janet Tanguayguest
Everyone has a creative, creative bone, right. Everyone hascreativity in them. It's just a matter of drawing it out. I trained as anexpress art expressive artist at Glass Lake Studio, which is affiliated witha European graduate school in South Bay, Switzerland, and just learned all sorts of thingsabout myself and how we're all really creative, you know, andwe get stuck in that, oh, I have to do things a certain way. Andso you really don't. You can close your eyes and draw with your non dominanthand and you're going to make something and then, you know,can evolve into something wonderful. So. Yeah,yeah. Again we mentioned Dicky Guy earlier and finding
Joanne Lockwoodhost
what you love. And I suppose what, what I found was that Ihad this inner. I wanted to be a rock star, Susie Quattro or somethinglike that. But you know, back in my youth I wanted to be on there,tight leathers, guitar, really strumming it out. I was a big fan of people likeDavid Coverdale and the Deep Purple and those sort of rock bands of the70s and 80s. I think I always wanted to be thatperson, but I didn't play the instrument, didn't sing. I wasn't really musical. I wasprobably more too into computers and logic than I was creativity.But then I found professional speaking and standing on stageand it suddenly really tweaked on me. I've got a microphone in my handor kit to my lapel. I've now got an audience, I've now wooingpeople and they're leaning in and they're excited. I've got fan girls out there andfanboys out there and this. I thought, wow. Ifound my stage in a different way and it's. That's great. Yeah. So next time
Janet Tanguayguest
you're there, maybe, maybe sing a tune, right. Just Test the waters. Rightnow. I do karaoke. And yeah, it's,
Joanne Lockwoodhost
I'm one of these people that doesn't mind singing. I don't, I've got no problemsinging. It's just whether you've got a problem listening is the issue.
Janet Tanguayguest
That's funny. Well, that's what I mean. I think that's the message in this. I'min the same boat. I can't even sing the Happy Birthday song correctly and ona record label. Right. So I don't think it matters. It's whatever youhear and whatever you want to build and create and so you don't have tobe the one to do the actual work sometimes. Yeah. So
Joanne Lockwoodhost
tell me more about the work you do. Let's dive a bit deeper into theend, into what brings you joy and happiness. The superconnector stuff and the way you've built your business up and getting funding for everybody.Dive a bit deeper in that. Yeah. So I love building bridges between
Janet Tanguayguest
people, between all sorts of people. Right. I just seesometimes when I meet with people, I'm like, oh, they could benefit from that. Somepeople don't like to do that. Some people, when I sometimes ask for connections, somepeople just like, no, they're in my world and you can't have them. Right. Whatever.And so I, yeah, right. They're all mine. I'm not like that.I like to share my ideas, my thoughts, my friends. You know, if, ifI can help somebody else in some way connect with someone who, who mightbenefit them, we're all better for it. So that's what I,that's what I love to do. And I, I, I'm a visionary. I'm not sogood at the details. Sometimes I will say I need to surround myself with peoplethat are really good with details because I can see the big picture. And sometimesI, I need, I need help with those, those details. So I do somethingcalled circle of influence or mind mapping or treasure mapping, they call it.And that helps me visually figure out where my networks are and how I canconnect different people. They say sometimes. Do you know who Kevin Bacon is? Do youknow that actor? Well, the actor, yeah. The guy that went bust and ended up
Joanne Lockwoodhost
doing TV adverts, maybe. Yeah. Six degrees of Kevin Bacon, they say. So sometimes
Janet Tanguayguest
in my networks they say six degrees of Janet Tangway. So, so I'd like tobe able to connect people, and I like to play that game, how many peopletill I can connect with this, this other person. Right. So, but that's what Ilove to do. And I think it helps people. Like I said, it somehow alwayscomes back to me whether. I mean, that's not my intention. But lately, the olderI get, I noticed that that happens more often when. You talk about the six
Joanne Lockwoodhost
degrees of separation and those sort of things. I mean,I knew someone really well who knew Boris Johnson. If you knowBoris Johnson, then Boris Johnson knows Barack Obama,knows this person, knows that. So it's quite tenuous tosay I'm three removed from Barack Obama because there's no way I could get amessage from person B to person C to person D.Even though I'm at six degrees of separation, I've got no influence in that sphere.So it's trying to work out. It's not just your connection or potentialconnections, it's your actual credibility of connections. And it's the hard bit.
Janet Tanguayguest
Yeah. And it's also not. I mean, I think one of the things that's reallyimportant is to not use those connectionfor personal gain. Right. Like it's genuine. Like nobody wants to connectme because they know I'm going to take care of that relationship and not takeadvantage of it. Right. So my hair stylist won anOscar for the movie the Whale, and so she knows a lot ofactors, but I'm not going to take advantage of that, you know, becauseour relationship is more important to me than whatever it is this other relationship is.Right. So it's nurturing, talking makeup
Joanne Lockwoodhost
artists. I did a. A TV documentary in the UK anddocumentary. We had a photo shoot towards the end and they hired anmua, and it later transpired the. My MUAon the day is this personal stylist for Joan Collinsand he often posts pictures of himself with Joan Collinson his Instagram and everything else. And I thought, wow, you know, mystylist does Joan Collins as well. You know, it's kind of a. Yeah, yeah.So, yeah, it's hard to find what's important to you. Sometimes people, I mean,
Janet Tanguayguest
network, they don't care. Like if they're not into the movies, they don't really care.Right. About that stuff. So. But if people, you know, like film andvideo and all that, then they. Then they care about it. So it really dependson, you know, what's important. Maybe a sports figure would be more important.Right. So, yeah, I think it's nice to know people who.
Joanne Lockwoodhost
Who know people as well. It's because they. They have storeys, they have.They have depth in their life. I mean, I was. I'm always fascinated tomeet people and hear what's going on in their life. And I'm one of thepeople that will go to a conference and I'll spend all the time talking topeople who are doing the waiting or the serving the food or clearing up. Andso, yes, and have chats with them and they're going to be. Why are youtalking to me for? I said, well, because you're probably more interested than half thepeople in the room. Absolutely, yeah, yeah. Get to know people.
Janet Tanguayguest
Those are the people with, yeah, interesting storeys and. Yeah, a hundred percent.
Joanne Lockwoodhost
There's one conference I went to and they hired some graffiti artistsand they created a graffiti wall. And it wasn't just random words or anythinglike that, it was basically spraying. They had a, a plan and you,what they do is you can go out there and grab your spray can andfill in some segments or some gaps. And I just spent hours talking tothese graffiti artists about their life and how they, they areproper London graffiti artists who spray walls and do all these sort of thingsand really get to know about their tags and their networks and all this. Andthey're showing me their Instagram and all their work they're doing. Have you had them
Janet Tanguayguest
on the box? I came away from that conference, I was fascinated with all this
Joanne Lockwoodhost
stuff. Yeah, it was brilliant. That's great. I think my talk in the day waslater on and I was on stage and I referred to. I think I talkedto people. So how many people in this room talk to people they don't know?How many people talk to people who are different to them? I said, how manypeople have had a conversation with a graffiti artist? Everyone's like,no, I said, I did. They're fascinating. Absolutely fascinating people.
Janet Tanguayguest
Yeah. That's how you learn, that's how you evolve, is bylearning from other people and other. Right, yeah, I agree. We get stuck in our
Joanne Lockwoodhost
little bubbles, don't we? And that's. This is the issue now. You're talking about beinga super connector, linking people from different cultures and generations.And you can only do that if you, if you're interested in people. Absolutely, yeah.
Janet Tanguayguest
Sitting, sitting at a conference with people that might not look like you. Right. Oragain, just even in your day to day routine, going to a different coffee shopevery day, going to a different part of town and, you know, parking somewhere differentand, you know, exercising in a different gym orwhatever. Just getting to know people from a differentperspective. To me it's enlightening, it's refreshing. It makes me a betterperson just by understanding who's around me.
Joanne Lockwoodhost
I Like to play with my own biases sometimes. And if I walk into acoffee shop or I walk into a restaurant or setting on a bus or atrain, something goes into my head saying, I don't want to sit next to thatperson. I want to sit next to this person. I almost test myself. I go,why don't I want to sit next to them? What is wrong? Or what haveI decided isn't right about that person? And I play with myself and go,okay, I've got a bias. I've clearly decided in my head whereright and wrong is. I play with it. I don't necessarily change my mind, butI want to challenge myself as to why I did that. I love that. Yeah,
Janet Tanguayguest
because we all have implicit bias, no matter if we think we don't. Right. SoI love that. I'm going to play with that now, too, if you don't mind.I'm going to say if it happens next time in that situation. And
Joanne Lockwoodhost
I found myself making different choices, you know, sitting in a restaurant, you know, ata conference, you know, I will seek out someone who's sat on their own, orI'll see out some random person who. And I justgo, I would never have a conversation with you. Just, hi, how are you? Just,I often start the same way. Which part of the world are you from? Howhas it taken you far to travel today? It's a really easy question thatanyone can answer. Yeah. And then to see what happens. Yeah. It's interesting that, that
Janet Tanguayguest
you bring that up, because I've been doing a lot of virtual work lately becauseI'm connecting with people internationally and, and I'mattending these networking groups, and they, they put you into littlesmaller groups. And I keep finding with many of themthat I'm ending up with women my agewho wear glasses. Right. And so here we are again. I know, right?
Janet Tanguayguest
It's true. It's true. And so, and, and I'm delighted to be here,but in those groups, I'm wondering, the more I'm in them,if. If they're putting us together on purpose, because I would love to meetother people that don't necessarily look like me. Right. And soI'm fine with the way I look. I just would like to meet a lotof different people. And so it's curious to me about whether it is reallyrandom and they're just pushing a button and we're ending in the rooms together orthey're putting demographics together. So as I explore that further,I'm going to dive deeper and talk to the leaders to find out how that'sdone. You need a pink wig or something. You can sort of. There you go.Show up in disguise next time. That's great. Oh, yeah, I love that. A Groucho
Joanne Lockwoodhost
mask. Marks with glasses and moustache and something. Just.
Janet Tanguayguest
Why I do these things. So this is good. This is good. Suggestions and Crazy
Joanne Lockwoodhost
lady in room three, right? Yeah. I love that. It's wonderful.But, I mean, since I. Yeah. I did transition, what, 10, 12 yearsago, and I've made far more real people than I've ever met inmy life before. I don't know if it's me or if it's them, butI just attract people who are different these days, and that's great. Fantastic world.
Janet Tanguayguest
Yeah. The first job I ever had was working for a transgender woman.And it was wonderful. And this was in the 80s.
Joanne Lockwoodhost
Wow. Yeah. Wow. Really, really great experience. A real. A realelder of the community out and. Yes, absolutely. Yes. Yeah. And
Janet Tanguayguest
taught me so much. I was in. I was working in film and video atthe time and learned a tremendous amount about it. I'm nottechnical at all, by the way, so we could be collaborative because I'mtechn. Technically challenged, but I. I did learn a lot and it was a greatexperience. And so. Yeah, awesome, awesome. Yeah,
Joanne Lockwoodhost
it's. Yeah, it's wild. Sometimes I think in my old life, I just wentsafe, I just went easy. I just. Did you say that affinity bias, thatkind of visit bias we have about people who are different to us? Oh, it'slike. And I think maybe it's the marginalisation that you experienceyourself. You become kindred spirits with other people who are.
Janet Tanguayguest
Yeah, yeah. That could be rejected by society, for want of a better phrase.Yeah, yeah. And it's just not listening to other people. You know, I always givethe example of, you know, my. My mom, when I wasgrowing up, loved country music. And so every time Barbra Streisand came on the radio,she'd say, she's screechy. Whoop. And she would change the. Change the radio.Right. Change the station. And so makes beautiful music. Which Ilearned as an adult. Right. Somebody said, no, you need to sit down and listen.She's beautiful. It's beautiful. And so listen to every single album.And so just, you know, not believing what other people say and. Andnot. And just getting to know people is so important because if you take thetime. It's really taking the time to get to know people. You learn so much.
Joanne Lockwoodhost
Yeah. It's strange, isn't it? When. When you live toour age, our white old age was 60ish. A lotof our childhood artists are now passing away. And there was. I can't remember thecheque yesterday. Pass away. The. The black singer. An actor, can't remember hisname. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you suddenly. You suddenly becomere. Rekindling their relationship with these singers the day they pass away.I wish I got into them. I should have been into them earlier and reallyenjoyed their music. But it takes their passing for you. To be reminded of it,
Janet Tanguayguest
right? Yeah. Because we're just all so busy and I think that's part of ittoo. People are just busy in their own again routines and patterns that they're notgetting out of their comfort zone to go meet other people and. Yeah, well. And
Joanne Lockwoodhost
Taylor Swift's knocking out music every day, so you got to keep up withher, her catalogue. It's not easy. It's not easy to chuck out20 tracks on a Sunday night or something. You think? Gotta absorb those.Yeah. I can't keep up with the. The seventiesanymore, but I was. I discovered Barry Manilowprobably about five or six years ago. I was going through this, I would saymelancholy phase, but just a real deep sort of, kind of.Yeah. And I just started listening to Barry Manilow and I thought, wow, there's somereally great stuff in here. 20 years ago I would havegone Barry Manilow near that. Lived very. My whole
Janet Tanguayguest
teen angst period was all about Barry Manilow. So I think I knowevery song that he ever wrote. Yeah, some of them are really, really
Joanne Lockwoodhost
deep and some of the vocals and some of the words. I thinkit's incredibly powerful words. I think we lose a lot of that sometimes. You know,it's too busy dancing to it or doing whatever we're doing. Not enough to justput your headphones in and on and just to listen to the words. Yeah, yeah.
Janet Tanguayguest
The lyrics are so important sometimes, but you write it. Other things, you know,shine brighter. Yeah, yeah. I suppose having it.
Joanne Lockwoodhost
Having a new puppy. I've got an opportunity now just to put.Generally just go for random playlists on Apple and I just saythe mix that today's mix or whatever it is. And some of it'smodern, some of it's old, but yeah, it's really nice to just get hit withsomething different because I think that's the difference between musicyou pick and then radio. Radio, you get what they give you.And that's very eclectic sometimes. Obviously the DJ is going to puttheir eclectic mix on whatever their genre is, but Sometimes you hear songs you haven'theard for years and I think listen to a popular music that covers ourage group, whatever that may be. You get a broad rangefrom the 60s all the way through to the current. Andyeah, I think it's lovely. Again, that randomness. So what's the top ofyour vision board right now then? What's the thing that. What's at the
Janet Tanguayguest
top? Yeah, for mine it's global influencer.So. And it's funny because I don't like to be on stages like you. Idon't have a podcast and I don't, I don't speak in front of people. Andso, but I, but I do write and I do things in my. My ownway and, and I really, I feel like I have some messaging, so I amwriting my memoir and, and it has some funny storeys in there about mychildhood and, and lessons learned and it's about business and dreamsand all of that. So. So I really,I want to learn about other cultures in a much deeper way.So that's my, my next iteration. That's the what
Joanne Lockwoodhost
and the why is the joy is. Yeah,
Janet Tanguayguest
yeah, yeah. And actually, joy, you asked what was at the top of myboard? The word joy is at the top of my board also. So I wantto always have that around me. Yeah. And what's the picture of?Oh, it's the word. The word. The joy is a word. Just the word joy.The joy is the word. Yeah, I'm a word. I'm trying to think if Ihave. Pictures are typically travel. That's whatI have on the board for pictures of places.But for other things I have mostly words and affirmations andthings like that. It's strange, as I was asking you that question
Joanne Lockwoodhost
and saying, what's your picture at the top? I was thinking, what's my picture atthe top of my board? I've no idea. No idea. I've often usedthe word freedom as a goal. And what Imean by freedom is freedom, a choice to chooseabout whatever I want. So enough, sufficient money, sufficientwealth, sufficient family, sufficient whatever it may be, so thatI have freedom of choice to do whatever I want to do. I think that'sprobably the word I'm looking for. And that's not gluttony,that's efficiency based. Absolutely. So I'd be curious to see
Janet Tanguayguest
what image you could find to represent that. I mean, words are fine. Youcan do words or images. But I would be curious to know what images youcould find around that word. I always used to talk about.
Joanne Lockwoodhost
And this is a part of my life, I supposeI used three zones. One was a cage, one was a safaripark and one was the Serengeti in Africa. Andit was about not living in a cage, living by someone else's permission,doing as you're told. You have no agency, no nothing. AndI didn't want to be in the wild where I was under threat from havingto find my own food and alligators and being eaten, all this kind of stuff.I wanted to find a safari park where I was living with other creatureswithin the bounds of a rule set, fences. But there's no dangerousanimals in there. People would come and feed me, I had sufficient this and Iwould never be dragged off into the cage or never be thrown out into thedark. So the safari part was my model of how I wanted toexist in the world. Know the rules, know the limits, know theboundaries, but never find the fence. But you know, they'rethere somewhere. So that, that's my definition of freedom really is notliving in a cage by someone else's permission or not beinganarchic and living in a wild. Right, right, right. But interesting
Janet Tanguayguest
that there is a fence there at all. So you're not living. Yeah,
Joanne Lockwoodhost
fences make, you know, good fences make good neighbours, you know. Absolutely. Yeah.But you live in a society that has rules and rule sets. So which arethe fences? But if the rules don't impact me,because I. I'm quite happy to stay with. As long as I stay within sixfeet inside the fence, I never notice the fence. It's when I want topush them, they don't work for me. So if I can find a safari partwhere I don't notice the fences, that. That's got to be freedom, hasn't it? Yeah.
Janet Tanguayguest
That's beautiful. I love that. Thank you for sharing that. Yeah,
Joanne Lockwoodhost
I think so, I think so. That's a memory I hadgoing through difficult times in my life where I was, I suppose, living by otherpeople's permission, other people's rule sets, other people's controland being told what I could and couldn't do. And I thinkthat's why I was always. I've written a blog about it, finding my safari park.And that's what it's about, finding that place where I can live without beinganswerable on a day by day basis. Just understand the rules.
Janet Tanguayguest
I would love to see a vision board around this. Yeah,yeah, just, just having that vision, see it, seeing it visually,you know. Yeah. Well, who knows? Who knows?
Joanne Lockwoodhost
Maybe. Maybe I've got lots of blogs. Lots of blogs. So. Okay, maybewhat I'll do is I'll. I'll feed them into AI and say, make sense ofthat, please. Yeah, absolutely. Copy the images there. I love that. Yeah,yeah. I've never, I've never really got into the vision board thing, but now, nowwe have this great conversation. I'm going to definitely. Yeah. Well, I thinkI'll do it with my business first because my wife is my business partnerand we've actually got planning sessions scheduled in for Fridayto talk about our marketing goals and where we're going to take things. So that's.That's probably a good idea to. So I'm going to give you another. Another little
Janet Tanguayguest
secret tool that I use in my vision boarding that I think you would havefun with since you like music, is that I use an app calledSuno. There's another one called Create. And when you're finished withyour vision or you're bored in some way, you ask Suno to picka genre and then put your dream in there, whatever itis, and it creates a beautiful song about yourvision and it's really fun. Oh, okay. That's beautiful. Yeah, I
Joanne Lockwoodhost
like that. Yeah. All right. Suno. S U N O S u
Janet Tanguayguest
N O. Yeah. Yeah. And again, there may be other apps, but that's the oneI really like a lot. And people are blown away when it, when they. Atthe end of my vision board sessions, when they. They have this song createdfor them around their vision. So there's other AI tools that we're using now too,so that are really, really fun putting your own images andinto the vision board and all sorts of things. I just
Joanne Lockwoodhost
keyed it into Google and someone cheated and inserted a paid outof top cool, which wasn't suno. So. Yeah.Suno.com. Okay. Suno. Make a house song about quittingyour job. Yeah, right. Exactly. Anything you want. Yeah, yeah.
Janet Tanguayguest
It's really, really fun. I do that. Do it for friends for their birthdays andthings like that. And so you can create. The more you put, the better languageyou put in, the better the song is coming out. So take some time withit and you can really create some fun things. Oh, I just found something really
Joanne Lockwoodhost
cool in it. You can separate the stems as well. I often go to EpidemicSounds and find these tunes and then just strip out the drum track. So Ireally love just the tribalism of drums going away.
Janet Tanguayguest
Yeah. So, yeah, I could, I could definitely
Joanne Lockwoodhost
come up with something and then just strip out the drums. You're so technical. You
Janet Tanguayguest
go right to the technology. That's great. Yeah, beautiful,
Joanne Lockwoodhost
right? Hey, I've got something to play with now. I'm going to feed my bloginto that later. Yeah, I can't wait. Janet, it's been amazing.We could yak on for hours. I'm sure. And it's a good job I'mnot too close to you. Otherwise I'd be driving up and spending an afternoon.
Janet Tanguayguest
Anytime you're here, feel free to stop by. So it's been a pleasure.
Joanne Lockwoodhost
So how can. How can our listener get hold of you? Sure. So My
Janet Tanguayguest
website is hammockwayoflife.com and I'mon Amazon under my name, Janet Tanguay. You can find all my books there. Ijust created a new journal there about visioning. I'm onLinkedIn as Jazzy Jan. And onFacebook and Instagram is Hammock Wave Life as well.Watch for my books, Unstoppable Women in Business. There's an anthology.I have a chapter in that book. I have a chapter in Inspiration to Success.Excuse me. And my. The new book is going to be called HammockWay of Life. That's my memoir, Love that. I'm going to. I'm going to
Joanne Lockwoodhost
look that up now. And Tanguay is spelled T A N GU A Y for anyone who is looking to find youor Jazzy Jan sounds easier. Jazzy Jan is easier. Yes. Yes.
Janet Tanguayguest
Janetanguay is on Amazon and I have some children's books, too. One of them isabout being who you want to be when you grow up. It's called Be Be.That one might also be relevant, too. The other one is called Dust Bunnies Don'tEat Carrots. But you have to order that one from my website. I love thatit's about big names. I love that. Maybe I need to read that children's book
Joanne Lockwoodhost
because I still haven't figured out who I want to be when I grow up.I'm still working. Right? We all haven't. I think sometimes we all haven't. Right. You're
Janet Tanguayguest
still. We're all in growth mode. Janet, it's been absolutely fantastic. Thank you so
Joanne Lockwoodhost
much. I agree. This is fun. As we bring this
Joanne Lockwoodhost
conversation to a close, I want to express my deepestgratitude to you, our listener, for lending your earand heart to the cause of inclusion.Today's discussion struck a chord. Consider subscribing toInclusion Bites and become part of our ever growing community,driving real change. Share this journey with friends, family andcolleagues. Let's amplify the voices that matter?Got thoughts, storeys or a vision to share? I'm allears. Reach out tojo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.ukand let's make your voice heard. Until next time, thisis Joanne Lockwood signing off with a promise to return withmore enriching narratives that challenge, inspire andunite us all. Here's to fostering a more inclusive world, oneepisode at a time. Catch you on the next bite.
In this energising episode of The Inclusion Bites Podcast, Joanne Lockwood welcomes Janet Tanguay for an enlightening conversation on turning ‘Dreams Into Action.’ Joanne explores her own journey of self-employment and the shift from working in her business to working on it, whilst Janet explains how she helps clients clarify, visualise, and manifest their aspirations using inclusive visioning practices. The discussion traverses the emotional realities of leaving the safety of employment, breaking routine, and building entrepreneurial purpose through authenticity and resilience. They also consider the significance of vision boards and how powerful it is to crystallise hopes and dreams into visual, tangible representations, making the dream-building process accessible and inclusive to all, regardless of background or means.
Janet is a business strategist, creative catalyst, and self-described ‘super connector’ who takes pride in her Abenaki First Nation heritage. Based in upstate New York, she draws on her ancestral roots and wide-ranging experience in community building, entrepreneurship, and expressive arts to support others in manifesting their dreams. Her work spans diverse groups—from marginalised communities to high-net-worth individuals—focusing on inclusivity, cultural relevance, and creating spaces where authentic aspirations can take shape. Janet’s approach features vision board workshops that integrate everything from traditional collage making to AI technology, sound healing, and even music composition through platforms such as Suno, ensuring clients can see themselves in their dreams and express them in ways that feel meaningful and achievable.
Throughout their conversation, Joanne and Janet challenge listeners to recognise common blocks to pursuing dreams, such as cultural conditioning, self-doubt, and practical constraints, and offer practical strategies to move beyond them. The episode highlights the deep human need for belonging, purpose, and joy, and showcases how intentional inclusivity, creativity, and connection can help individuals and communities to thrive. A key takeaway from this episode is the invitation to actively visualise, articulate, and nurture your dreams—proving that real change begins with having the courage to imagine and the commitment to act. Listeners will be inspired to build their own vision boards and harness the power of community and creativity to turn dreams into reality.
The views and opinions expressed by guests are their own and do not necessarily reflect those of Inclusion Bites, SEE Change Happen Ltd or Joanne Lockwood. This episode is shared for general interest and discussion; we accept no responsibility for the accuracy or completeness of any statements made.
